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Old 05-30-2006, 06:29 AM   #1
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Hi there, does anyone know of any resources to learn this software? Other than taking a 3-day class offered by Broadvision?
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Old 05-30-2006, 10:31 AM   #2
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Hi there, does anyone know of any resources to learn this software? Other than taking a 3-day class offered by Broadvision?
Not me. But I am curious to know what you are planning to use it for.

And how it differs from other XML-editing systems.

Meanwhile, maybe someone else can actually answer your question.

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I had never heard of Broadvision Quicksilver until now. Seems like a specialist product, but my usual advice in such cases is to try it out first and see how easy it will be to pick up even ther basics. I'm one of those who likes to learn by trial & error. It may be a longer process, though, that a short course.

   
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Yeah I've been playing with it on and off but it isn't like anything I've ever used, which is Adobe products and Quark. I've figured a few things out but my main problem right now is I can't get any Japanese text to show as Japanese. Likely because the program doesn't support unicode fonts. I have to admit, though, I'm sort of a newbie with fonts. I haven't been able to get Japanese into Quark 6.5 either, without outlining and importing as an EPS.
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Not me. But I am curious to know what you are planning to use it for.

And how it differs from other XML-editing systems.

Meanwhile, maybe someone else can actually answer your question.

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Well, I'm not using it, per se. I'm just trying to take an existing layout and convert it to Japanese. I don't know anything about XML.
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Yeah I've been playing with it on and off but it isn't like anything I've ever used, which is Adobe products and Quark. I've figured a few things out but my main problem right now is I can't get any Japanese text to show as Japanese. Likely because the program doesn't support unicode fonts. I have to admit, though, I'm sort of a newbie with fonts. I haven't been able to get Japanese into Quark 6.5 either, without outlining and importing as an EPS.
If this is the right tool for what you need to do, that 3-day class looks like a bargain! You could torture the instructor with good questions, anyway.

Assume this is not something that InDesign can accomplish? Are you on a Mac or Windows? (Mac OS X comes with a bunch of Japanese fonts built in — if I changed my system prefs, I could type in that script, or several others. And when I get spam from Asia, it arrives in beautiful type of whatever script was used to create it.) So maybe it is as simple as changing a setting in your system preferences?

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If this is the right tool for what you need to do, that 3-day class looks like a bargain! You could torture the instructor with good questions, anyway.

Assume this is not something that InDesign can accomplish? Are you on a Mac or Windows? (Mac OS X comes with a bunch of Japanese fonts built in — if I changed my system prefs, I could type in that script, or several others. And when I get spam from Asia, it arrives in beautiful type of whatever script was used to create it.) So maybe it is as simple as changing a setting in your system preferences?

Do keep us posted on your adventures.
Well the layout came to me in Quicksilver on PC and the client wants it back in Quicksilver if possible. One of the first things I did was see if I could get it into InDesign since I know you can do Japanese right in it, and I know InDesign fairly well. I can export it as a PDF from Quicksilver, which makes it workable (although clumsy) in Illustrator which can then be brought into InDesign, since it is a multi page document. That would be a lot of work, but probably less than figuring out this program.

A new version of Quicksilver is supposed to come out this year, I believe, which supports unicode. That would make life a lot easier but it will be too late by then!
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If you don't mind me asking, what does the program cost? I didn't see any pricing information on the website, and that makes me think it might be pricy. (And I would consider $1000 or less to be reasonable for a good FrameMaker replacement.)
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I'm only using a demo to see if the file is workable for me (which apparently it isn't) but a quick Google search indicates that this software may cost "between 2 and 3 thousand". I haven't checked with Broadvision yet, though.
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Well the layout came to me in Quicksilver on PC and the client wants it back in Quicksilver if possible.
InDesign files can be exported in XML. Maybe there is a hint of a solution for you there.

In theory (and I have no evidence of this!), you could supply XML and they could open them in their QuickSilver.

Best of all possible worlds?

Dunno about that, but if the client is amenable, maybe you could do a little test.

   
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