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Old 07-06-2005, 09:01 AM   #1
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Default No-Java, all-CSS dropdown menu

This very intresting horizontal dropdown menu uses tables (rather than JavaScript) to create the secondary (dropdown) menu lists. It works with most browsers, including MSIE.

Oh — it requires use of XHTML 1.1 DOCTYPE; and it does not validate. But it does seem to work.

By Stu Nicholls, whose site altogether warrants a bit of exploration. Many other menu ideas, layouts (including a CSS frame), no-graphic methods of creating round-cornered and even trickier box shapes, and some CSS animation tricks.

Useful? Maybe not always. But clever, and reading his explanations often illuminates some puzzling bit of CSS.

   
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This very intresting horizontal dropdown menu uses tables (rather than JavaScript) to create the secondary (dropdown) menu lists. It works with most browsers, including MSIE.

Oh — it requires use of XHTML 1.1 DOCTYPE; and it does not validate. But it does seem to work.

By Stu Nicholls, whose site altogether warrants a bit of exploration. Many other menu ideas, layouts (including a CSS frame), no-graphic methods of creating round-cornered and even trickier box shapes, and some CSS animation tricks.

Useful? Maybe not always. But clever, and reading his explanations often illuminates some puzzling bit of CSS.
Yes, I like Stu's site. I myself use one that just has a little JavaScript for the MSIE mob. It works really well.

Incidentally, I'm planning to put ads on the forum pages of my site, and the program I'm using, phpAdsNew, works best with a JavaScript invocation code. So I ran a poll of members, and found that only one in 20 doesn't have JavaScript enabled.

   
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Old 07-06-2005, 02:09 PM   #3
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… I ran a poll of members, and found that only one in 20 doesn't have JavaScript enabled.
Sounds reasonable to me. Most people just accept what they have, and that usually includes JavaScript.

   
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Sounds reasonable to me. Most people just accept what they have, and that usually includes JavaScript.
That's what I thought, and use a piece of JavaScript to hide my e-mail address on web sites from spammers.

But when I mentioned that in INETPUB, a couple of people (Kelvyn and Dennis, I think) told me that, for example, most firefox users disabled JavaScript.

Maybe I'm 'fortunate' in that most people who use my site use IE.

   
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… when I mentioned that in INETPUB, a couple of people (Kelvyn and Dennis, I think) told me that, for example, most firefox users disabled JavaScript.
I wonder. There ought to be some more objective stats around, no?

They may know mostly very web-savvy people. Regular people are usually just grateful to make their way around without obvious disaster!

   
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I wonder. There ought to be some more objective stats around, no?
Like this ?

It matches Annes estimate
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Ann’s estimate? Yes, it does. And mine.

   
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But when I mentioned that in INETPUB, a couple of people (Kelvyn and Dennis, I think) told me that, for example, most firefox users disabled JavaScript.
Ann: I admire both Dennis and Kelvyn immensely, but I would take that with a big pinch of salt. It is true that FireFox users tend to be more web-literate on average (they know how to change browsers for a start!), so they are also more likely to understand and manage the risks (such as they are) of javascript: FF makes security easy to tailor to one's usage.

I use FF and allow JS, and do not think I am unusual in that. (But I have no more evidence to back it up than whoever made the original statement!)
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I use FF and allow JS, and do not think I am unusual in that. (But I have no more evidence to back it up than whoever made the original statement!)
Me too — on both counts!

   
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Ann: I admire both Dennis and Kelvyn immensely, but I would take that with a big pinch of salt. It is true that FireFox users tend to be more web-literate on average (they know how to change browsers for a start!), so they are also more likely to understand and manage the risks (such as they are) of javascript: FF makes security easy to tailor to one's usage.

I use FF and allow JS, and do not think I am unusual in that. (But I have no more evidence to back it up than whoever made the original statement!)
I thought that one of them quoted a survey to support the statement, but confess that I haven't been back to INETPUB and the somewhat flaky CIS Advanced Search function to check.

   
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