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Old 07-13-2012, 07:28 PM   #1
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While searching for ways to reduce the size of backups, I noticed a couple interesting things. One is that Opera saves a slew of files in one of its subfolders called "icons." The files are named for web sites. They are so small I assume they are favicons. I don't see any way to get rid of them using Opera's "Delete Private Data" feature. There are also files named for websites in some Flash Player folders. These are under Macromedia\Flash Player\#SharedObjects\. Also under \Macromedia\Flash Player\macromedia.com\support\flashplayer\sys\. Makes me wonder if Adobe (as Macromedia) is monitoring some sites we visit.

Edit: I looked around more and found this: http://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/...cts-flash.html

   
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Old 07-13-2012, 08:55 PM   #2
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I have Flash set to allow 0 (zero!) saving of anything. I also use a Firefox add-on Better Privacy to get rid of LSO's (Local Shared Objects) and other Flash crap--I also use a cookie manager keeping only the cookies *I* decide I want to keep (my bank and a few other places) otherwise all cookies go bye-bye when I close Firefox.

I don't know what Opera has in the way of these sorts of add-ons and it is these sorts of add-ons that keep me using Firefox as my primary browser...

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Old 07-14-2012, 04:41 AM   #3
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A couple versions back, Adobe started to track your "flash visits" and store the results on their site. At the time, they gave you no control over whether this happened, only the ability to delete what they'd stored. So they said.

Now they seem to give you a bit more control over what they store. So they say.

Once they start collecting this stuff w/o notifying anyone, I no longer trust what they say. But the control panel's here:

http://www.macromedia.com/support/do...manager07.html

   
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Old 07-17-2012, 04:28 AM   #4
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Those Flash 'LSOs' are a kind of 'supercookie': Adobe manages them (through flash) and they are not subject to any browser settings for cookies. They live essentially forever. Virtually any site that uses flash somewhere causes at least one to appear (that is usually some basic settings).

You can safely clean out that whole directory (periodically, or automatically thorough a scheduled task) - unless you actually use some flash application that really needs to remember settings (such as a banking or stock management application).

BTW, I have also installed BetterPrivacy in my Firefox - highly recommended.

   
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marjolein: BTW, I have also installed BetterPrivacy in my Firefox - highly recommended.
I've been pleased with it too...

By the way...are you using "statcounter" on any of your websites?

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Yes. I've been using StatCounter for many years - and find it much more useful than Google Analytics.

   
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marjolein: Yes. I've been using StatCounter for many years - and find it much more useful than Google Analytics.
Ahhh...thought it might be you--there was a lag in loading some thread pages and that's what was showing in the status bar (and in Request Policy) and it appeared to be associated with your userid....

What sort of info does it give you?

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Old 07-19-2012, 08:51 AM   #8
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Be careful not to confuse file numbers with file size. My favicon is only 214 bytes in size. So it takes about 5000 of these to get to a single megabyte. At the same time, deleting one damaged work file (worthless) that is large can save more space in backups. Is there a way to sort files by size before the backup, and then kill the ones that are really big?
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What sort of info does it give you?
I'll attach some screenshots to give you an impression what StatCounter can do... Note the sidebar on the left: all links to different facets of your data. Everywhere you see a little magnifying glass, you can click it to 'drill down' for more details (which also may contain drilldown links, etc.).

All shown here is without JavaScript, which means StatCounter is usable on sites where embedding JavaScript is not an option. With JS you get a lot more. (Google Analytics is dependent on JavaScript, as are many other statistics services.) And most free Analytics don't allow you to use an invisible image - StatCounter does, so it's quite unobtrusive.

Free account, with any number of projects, each project it keeps the latest 500 page loads, plus summary data forever. You can upgrade to a paid account if you need to retain more data, but I've never done that so far. You can also download your data as XML or CSV, so if you want you can build a local database with much more data. Many other features...

Why not try it out?
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marjolein: Why not try it out?
No real interest and no real need...using RequestPolicy, I routinely do not allow/block anything like this for websites I visit...

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