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Old 09-28-2009, 01:01 PM   #1
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The Washington Post is (desperately in my opinion) redesigning everything and the first is the newly redesigned Sunday magazine which we received yesterday.

The editor's note made me very uneasy--this is a new editor:

"Why the changes? Well, because, if you're anything like me, you also have a giggling, gurgling baby; a first-grader going on middle-schooler; and neighbors who wish they had more time for ... well, just about everything.

"That's why we've reimagined the Magazine. It has more to entice, but takes less time at each stop. Its clean look--the creation of Art Director Janet Michaud--provides clear navigation and fewer jumps. The typography is simple, the layout sophisticated."



What do my neighbors have to do with the time I have available to read this magazine?

"taking less time at each stop" is not enticing to me and seems to contradict an earlier statement ("You'll continue to find deeply reported articles...")--where the old magazine had 2 or 3 "deeply reported articles", this issue has 1.

"clean look", "simple typography" and "sophisticated layout" are belied by the examples attached below.

It's UGLY. The look is more cluttered not only in the attached example but all through the magazine. The font chosen is less sophisticated as is the layout.

I've attached 3 scans. The first two are full page scans showing the page layout for the old design (first scan from the left) and the new design (second scan from the left). The last scan show examples of the font in the old design (left) and the font in the new design (is that Times Roman?).

What say you? Is it ugly or not?

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Old 09-28-2009, 01:15 PM   #2
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Well, I do prefer the old layout, 2 columns vs 3. And why those huge first caps? They waste space and do not add info or legibility.

   
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Old 09-28-2009, 01:20 PM   #3
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sky: Well, I do prefer the old layout, 2 columns vs 3.
Me too...


>>And why those huge first caps? They waste space and do not add info or legibility.

Exactly!!!

Ok...we're 2 for 2 for ugly...'-}}

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Old 09-28-2009, 02:56 PM   #4
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Is it ugly or not?
The magazine needed a new design, I think: the double columns look as if there ought to be more leadng, and the impression is mainly of greyness. (The magazine could also do with some less plodding text too, but you didn't ask about the content.) And the use of colour? Pretty awful. But the new design, in which it's impossible to overlook those appallingy tasteless dropped capitals, falls down too, although the colour and leading of the text is OK, given the shorter lines.

   
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awful
watered down walter bernard aesthetic circa 1981

fine to redesign, but the haven't improved clarity or added character

sad
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Old 09-29-2009, 07:57 AM   #6
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Terrie:What do my neighbors have to do with the time I have available to read this magazine?
It seems if we don't have neighbors who wish for more time, or gurgling babies and first-graders, we have no reason to read the new edition.<G>

But I sympathize. The rule of business is if you have nothing better to contribute, contribute something anyway to prove you're working. Makes it harder to fire you. And it's hard to design with a giggling baby on one hip and a first-grader tugging on the free hand and neighbors doing I-don't-know-what.

   
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Old 09-29-2009, 08:28 AM   #7
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Although the details are different (very), this reminds me of the N.Y. Times magazine redo a couple of months ago. The NYT opted to bore us to death, the Post to jazz things up, but I see lots of practical problems with both of these sets of changes.

It mostly has to do with money.

   
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Well, I vote ugly on the drop caps, though the rest doesn't bother me so much. I was taught that a drop cap was intended to be a transition between the large heading and the small body type (Therefore a 2 to 3 line drop cap). Those multi-line drops are ridiculous.
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Well, I vote ugly on the drop caps, though the rest doesn't bother me so much. I was taught that a drop cap was intended to be a transition between the large heading and the small body type (Therefore a 2 to 3 line drop cap). Those multi-line drops are ridiculous.
The drop caps Terrie showed from the Post are better than what the N.Y. Times used to have, floating in the gutter or elsewhere several picas away from (and sometimes on a different baseline than) the first line of text. It was like a puzzle.

The new design at the Times mag is better — very tidy. Perhaps too much so.

   
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Old 09-29-2009, 03:49 PM   #10
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michael: and the impression is mainly of greyness.
That is probably due to the scan as the actual paper is white...


>>But the new design, in which it's impossible to overlook those appallingy tasteless dropped capitals, falls down too

I think they are just ghastly too...

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