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Old 01-22-2008, 11:43 PM   #1
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Default HTML 5 draft spec released

read all about it here:

http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/

and the differences between 4 and 5 here:

http://www.w3.org/TR/html5-diff/
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Old 01-23-2008, 01:40 AM   #2
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Well.... there seems to be real progress in terms of useful semantic constructs. What I consider a major step back is allowing non-XML markup syntax for that: that makes it harder, not easier, to learn.

I predict this (more options, less stringent rules) will lead to a great increase in tag soup, just when we were on the road towards more, cleaner (XHTML) markup supported by development tools and CMSs.

I shudder at the continuation of event attributes though - scripting should be done unobtrusively and does not need any attributes at all. While discontinuing the longdesc attribute is a major loss for accessibility (at least I see no alternative mechanism for this functionality); loss of some accessibility table markup attributes (and even structural ones like align - there is a reason these are not deprecated in XHTML!) also constitute a loss of accessibility: you can no longer do accessible (or even complex) table markup!

Let's wait for the necessary two complete implementations though... we're not there yet.

   
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Let's wait for the necessary two complete implementations though... we're not there yet.
I think there may be a long wait for the implementations.

I see this as one step forwards for semantics and two paces back for simplicity of code.

   
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I think there may be a long wait for the implementations.

I see this as one step forwards for semantics and two paces back for simplicity of code.
And four back for accessibility. In this form, I'll not be using it, period.

   
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Well, as some people are still coding HTML4 and it still works, it may be a long wait!

I agree with all the reservations expressed here, and as you say, it's only a first draft
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I wouldn't use it in it's current form either.

However, since it is still in draft form, it's up to folks like us to supply input so that things like simplicity and accessibility are properly considered and implemented.
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Thanks for the heads up. I still use HTML4 and don't have any plans to switch for now (or the near future).

   
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Thanks for the heads up. I still use HTML4 and don't have any plans to switch for now (or the near future).
Well, it's only a draft specification anyway. I don't see it coming close to being ready for another two to five years from now. There's so much missing from what is stated to be included in the spec. Then of course, there will be the time it takes for the browsers to start using it.

HTML 4/XHTML is safe for now.
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read all about it here:

http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/

and the differences between 4 and 5 here:

http://www.w3.org/TR/html5-diff/
Not to be overly contrary, but why is anyone looking at HTML 5 when most of the world hasn't gone past XHTML 1 Transitional?

Since HTML 4 is over 10 years old, I don't see much reason to study this new standard. For me, I'm going to continue to focus on XHTML. I don't see IE supporting HTML 5 this century, based on the track record, so is this anything but an academic exorcise?

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I'm going to continue to focus on XHTML.
I agree. I think these new versions are good for people who want to do clever things, and some of the latest websites certainly are very attractive. But my tenat of faith is to keep it simple and have it on the surfers screen almost instantly. Name, Address, Phone Number, Email, Unique Selling Proposition - what else is vital?

   
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