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Old 07-28-2007, 07:55 PM   #1
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Default HTML is Dead. Long live HTML. Five that is...

I StumbledUpon this UserFriendly comic strip, and I really had no idea what the joke was, although I sort of understood the jab against FrontPage, I didn't really think it was all that funny. To tell the truth, I rarely find UserFriendly funny, but it did get me wondering about HTML 5. After all, I thought 4.01 was going to be the end, and I was all about converting all my pages to XHTML, but now here's a strip mentioning HTML 5. Lo and behold, there it is at:

http://www.w3.org/html/wg/html5/

and also mirrored at some outfit called WHAT:

http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/

I just don't understand the reasoning behind this, and what the implications are for someone like me. Should I expect to be using HTML 5 in a couple of years rather than XHTML 2?

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Old 07-28-2007, 09:09 PM   #2
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I thought 4.01 was going to be the end, and I was all about converting all my pages to XHTML, but now here's a strip mentioning HTML 5. Lo and behold, there it is at:

http://www.w3.org/html/wg/html5/

and also mirrored at some outfit called WHAT:

http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/
Gosh - so they finally made it to the W3C... Do note it's a draft only. Maybe it's time to take them a little bit seriously now. I certainly didn't until now. (Though probably just a little bit less seriously than XHTML 2 - which seems to be going nowhere much, mostly due to its - intended - lack of backwards compatibility with XHTML 1, and some serious criticism from the field. *))

Me, I'll just continue to write (generate, rather) XHTML 1, as I've been doing for about 7 years now. And HTML 5 could be a few more years in the making before that makes a standard, so it's safe to stick with the current one.

Go on, convert to XHTML already!



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Old 07-29-2007, 05:24 AM   #3
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Go on, convert to XHTML already!
Well, let me just clarify about that. Most--if not all--of the pages I create these days are XHTML. However, I really haven't felt the need to go back and convert old pages that have just been sitting on the server for years over to XHTML. I probably even have a handful of HTML 3.2 pages still floating around. I can't imagine any user agent not rendering old HTML even if it may not recognize depreciated elements--which I probably didn't use.

Does anyone here have any idea how many legacy pages are out there in general? How many HTML 2.0 and 3.2 pages are still out there on the web? Surely someone on the web has attempted to collect statistics.

Anyway, It's probably just a matter of me going through and running TIDY on everything with the ASXHTML switch, and seeing if it complains. But, of course, that means taking some considerable amount of time on pages that most people probably never even lookout any more.
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Well, you said something abourt converting all your pages to XHTML...

As to how many old-version HTMLpages are still around, I have no idea - or where to look for statistics. I have some HTML 3.2 (never used 2.0). A browser should not have a problem with those, as long as those pages are conforming. But if they're not, it may become harder for modern browsers to guess at the old quirks - non-standard code is always a guessing game.

The HTML 5 guys say authors authors should stick to writing HTML because its rules are not so strict - I say they should write XHTML because its rules are stricter, and more consistent! In fact, easier to learn.

There are certainly some good elements in there... (and some oldies, that never made it into a standard but were in a draft for a long time, like the figure (or fig) element that was part of proposed 3.0 which never made it out the door due to the internal bickering. There are probably pages out there actually using it!) But I shudder seeing all those examples using <br> instead or <br/>! If it isn't XML, you won't get all the advantages that come with XML either, and if you stick to XHTML you get those advantages for free (even years down the line, if you don't care about them now).

   
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