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Old 04-19-2007, 10:34 AM   #1
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Default InDesign Font Issues - Helvetica Neue

EDIT: Woops spelled the title wrong! hehe.

I'm leaving this first part in for your reference, see below as I've halfway solved my problem:

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Hey everyone, I have been working on an InDesign doc for a client and my fonts are acting up. I have Helvetica Neue installed (even deleted and re-installed once to try to fix).

Helvetica Neue (Normal) shows up in Photoshop with no problems, exactly as expected, however in InDesign when I select Helvetica Neue (Normal) it gives me a very bold font. Same font and style but a totally different look. I've double- and triple-checked all of the other formatting and nothing else is set differently.

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ACTUALLY, sorry for the tangent but I think I just found my problem (wanted to leave the above so you could understand what I was seeing). I have multiple versions of "Helvetica Neue (Regular)" installed that all have different styles, and it seems perhaps InDesign is using the last found version as that font when it loads up. What made me think of this is in Photoshop there are 5 versions of Helvetica Neue (Regular) and in InDesign there is only 1 version.

Can any of you gurus fill me in on which of these is just the standard "Helvetica Neue" font, if any? I have:

Helvetica Neue Thin (seems pretty thin to me)
Helvetica Neue Light (closest match I seem to have)
Helvetica 35 Thin (seems a bit too wide maybe?)
Helvetica Neue Roman (seems a bit too bold)

I don't seem to have just "Helvetica Neue, Regular". I'm so confused! =)

I can select "Helvetica Neue, Regular" in Photoshop, but I don't seem to actually have a font named that in my fonts folder. They're all versions of oblique, heavy, condensed, etc.

Any ideas?

Thanks!
Travis

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Old 04-19-2007, 10:49 AM   #2
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Hey all,

Just tried something. I removed all of my Helvetica Neue fonts and installed just HelveticeNeue-Light (OpenType). It comes up in InDesign now as "Helvetica Neue (Regular)".

I guess my main question, to summarize, is whether there is just a "Helvetica Neue" without an additional style, or if one of the styles (roman, light, etc.) is actually the default.

Sorry for the confusion. I guarantee you I'm just as confused!

Thanks again,
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Old 04-19-2007, 10:52 AM   #3
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Can any of you gurus fill me in on which of these is just the standard "Helvetica Neue" font, if any? I have:

Helvetica Neue Thin (seems pretty thin to me)
Helvetica Neue Light (closest match I seem to have)
Helvetica 35 Thin (seems a bit too wide maybe?)
Helvetica Neue Roman (seems a bit too bold)
Roman is the “regular” weight. When I try to use the Type 1 version of Helvetica Neue, I get a list of all the names, including Roman, not Regular.

Sounds as if something is screwy with your fonts.

   
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Old 04-19-2007, 10:56 AM   #4
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Something is definitely screwy with them. I think I have a couple of different versions of the same fonts installed and that's why the issues. I'll delete them all and install just what I need. =)

Thanks so much for your suggestion. I will move forward with the Roman version. I appreciate your advice--something told me I should use Roman but normally I choose a font based on looks, not identity standards, so I wanted to be sure. =)

Thanks again!!
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Something is definitely screwy with them. I think I have a couple of different versions of the same fonts installed and that's why the issues. I'll delete them all and install just what I need. =)
Good idea! Let us know how it works out.

   
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I have Helvetica Neue installed
I have Helvetica Neue installed and Helvetica (but not active at the same time). All the Helvetica Neue fonts have, for instance, Helvetica 55 Roman, but the Helvetica fonts do not use the number (35, 55, etc.) to indicate the weight. InDesign may be getting mixed up if you have both families active.

   
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Old 04-21-2007, 02:44 AM   #7
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There are Helvetica Neues, and Helvetica Neues!

Mac OS X 10.4 (Tiger) comes with Helvetica Neue .dfont TrueTypes in /Library/System

You probably also have PostScript T1 complete family installed. As mentioned above, these tend to have weight numbers.

The easiest thing to do is to turn off the TT version in FontBook, or whatever you use to manage fonts. (I recommend Linotype FontExplorer)
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You probably also have PostScript T1 complete family installed
I don't know if your message is a reply to mine, but I've only got four very old Type 1 Helvetica fonts (out of umpteen) and a few TrueTyoe fonts of the later Helvetica Neue family, which have the weight described by numbers, and have 'HelvticaNeue' as part of their names. It is possible that Apple name them differently, as Windows just displays the names as 'Helvetica' plus the weight number. (I've never even seen an Apple computer, apart from in shop windows.)

   
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Sorry, I was replying to the original post.

But as you intimate, Helvetica Neue and Helvetica are different typefaces and ought not be thought of as interchangeable.
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Sorry, I was replying to the original post
Nothing to be sorry about: it was my misunderstanding.

But it is important to note that although the Helvetica Neue fonts have HelveticaNeue as (part of) their Postscript names, individually they show up in InDesign and other font menus as Helvetica 55 and so on, and that is the only difference anyone can see between them and the common or garden 'Helvetica' fonts. As there is no immediately obvious difference between the two families, it's very easy to confuse them should both sets be activated at once.

   
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