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Old 02-05-2007, 04:19 AM   #1
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Default Fonts self installing from "private" folder

I'm a fontaholic and have over 3000 fonts stored on the PC. Only what is absolutely necessary (system fonts, TNR, Tahoma etc a total of about 90 TTF/OTF files and those heaps of system fonts with cryptic names) are in the "Fonts" Folder.

All the rest of my fonts are in a "Fonts2" folder under Windows. I use Font Navigator to keep everything under control and to weed out what I am not currently using, trying to keep the count under 150 or so installed fonts.

OK - here's the problem. A couple of days ago I noticed several fonts from the Fonts2 folder, which I was sure I had uninstalled the day before, were once again in the installed fonts list. These were not by any stretch of the imagination fonts that could interest Windows in the slightest ("Cobb Shin Stock Cuts", "Gabriel's Angels", "KR Valentine Borders" - to name a couple of them.) Since then I have uninstalled these fonts (about 15 of them) again and again and they turn up anyway again in the installed fonts list at some point. Not always immediately.

I deleted the FontNav *.fdb file - didn't help.
I resorted my fonts to make sure I hadn't somehow put fonts incorrectly in the main fonts folder, which then would be automatically installed somehow. Nope.
I made sure all programs that might be using these fonts were closed before I uninstalled them. Nope
I shut down the computer and started again after I'd uninstalled the fonts. Nope, they came back.

The only thing that seems to prevent them from showing up again is to remove them from the Fonts2 folder altogether, certainly not a reasonable solution.

Is there a file under Windows that tells windows what's installed? A file that maybe got corrupted? The whole thing is too weird but I'm at a loss to know what I should do next.

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Old 02-05-2007, 07:37 AM   #2
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http://desktoppublishingforum.com/bb...ead.php?t=3000

may give you a clue? Sounds odd with such obscure fonts though. You need to see what app you run that couses them to pop up again, I think!

I'd try moving the 'spares' folder outside the Windows directory altogether and see what happens.

(Note that Fonts isn't really a folder in the normal sense, but a view on the installed fonts produced by a specialised DLL.)
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Old 02-05-2007, 07:56 AM   #3
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Thanks for the quick answer Lois.
I'm not sure what you mean with the application.
For instance, just before I wrote the first post ( 3 1/2 hours ago) I had once again removed the unwanted-ly installed fonts through FontNav. Within the next hour I checked Fontnav a few times and they had stayed "uninstalled". In that period of time I had used Microsoft Word, Firefox and Corel Draw x3 and Outlook, none of which had any reason to want these fonts.
Now, 3 and a half hours later, I open FontNav to look and voila! They're baaaaaack! Really strange behavior.

I think I will try your suggestion though, cause I'm completely stymied. I'll throw out the Font Nav *.fdb fine again, move my Fonts2 to the root directory and then rebuild the database. Then I'll see if they stay away.
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Old 02-05-2007, 09:06 AM   #4
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Good luck. I meant that perhaps a seemingly-unrelated application might be reinstalling them (and 'causes', not 'couses'!)

I have found odd fonts in Corel docs that I have never used: have you tried listing the fonts used for the default or last opened document to see if that's where they are lurking? It might also be worth printing the styles in your Word's Normal.dot too for inspection (which may be used by Outlook too).
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Old 02-05-2007, 09:43 AM   #5
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siegy: All the rest of my fonts are in a "Fonts2" folder under Windows.
Do you mean that you have your "Fonts2" folder in the C:\Windows directory???

If so, as Lois suggested, I'd move that folder either outside the c:\windows directory or to another drive entirely...

I use FontNav too (which version are you using by the way?) and I have my extra fonts folder on another drive (I have 4 harddrives with multiple partitions) and I've never experienced the problem you are having.

One other idea...

Once you set everything back the way it is supposed to be, try opening your software (Word (gag! ;-}}), Draw, Outlook, etc) one at a time and then check to see if the fonts have been mucked with as it may be the software that's doing it--it shouldn't but who know these days!

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Old 02-05-2007, 10:08 AM   #6
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Lois -
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"I have found odd fonts in Corel docs that I have never used:"

I know that glitch with Draw but these don't show up in the doc info.

Now I'm really going nuts! I moved the Fonts2 to C: Redid the FontNav *.fdb. For the last hour everything OK. Then I opened Drawx3 to check if there were hidden fonts in the doc info, made a new check in FontNav, and GACK! they're baaaack! And not only that, but the main decorative font I've been using for my current project in Draw is broken! I can open it in Font Creator, but I can open it in the Font Viewer and Corel can't find it! 'Scuse me, I'm gonna go and shut the PC off and start all over again.

PS As far as Corel installing these fonts goes, I don't know how it would occur, but that remains the likeliest scenario. Even tho Corel always asks about installing fonts, maybe some file or other has gotten corrupted. These "odd" fonts are indeed all fonts that I installed and looked at for my latest project in Corel over the past week.
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siegy: As far as Corel installing these fonts goes, I don't know how it would occur, but that remains the likeliest scenario
Sure is weird...I wonder if you can trash the preferences file for Draw? I have no idea how to do that--I use Photoshop primarily and my most current version of Draw is 5 so it's more than a little bit old...'-}}

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Old 02-05-2007, 10:56 AM   #8
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Whew! I'm back and I'm happy to say, the broken font is okay again!

With a little light experimentation, I can now say with 80% certainty that the problem is in Corel Draw. The program for some reason installs all of these fonts as soon as I open the program, and that's while it's booting up, not when it opens a document.

And just to make me totally nuts, not every time. After the first couple of times I opened the program, it stopped installing the fonts as it opened.

And terrie, to answer your questions - it's FontNav 5.108 which came with Corel Draw at some point, and before that I used version 4 for years. The preferences file for Draw wouldn't really have anything to do with this, but I will play around with Draw to see if I can convince it to give up this newly developed bad habit. If I work a miracle I'll report it here.
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Good grief! Well, at least now you know.

Do let us know if you figure out how to fix it.

   
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siegy: With a little light experimentation, I can now say with 80% certainty that the problem is in Corel Draw. The program for some reason installs all of these fonts as soon as I open the program, and that's while it's booting up, not when it opens a document.
That is just bizarre! I wonder if there is some sort of pref that's been set??? Maybe there is a pref for where the fonts are located and you could disable that??? WordPerfect has that sort of setting.


>>The preferences file for Draw wouldn't really have anything to do with this, but I will play around with Draw to see if I can convince it to give up this newly developed bad habit.

Given your description, I really could see the prefs being corrupted somehow and resetting them might do the trick...might be useful if you could backup the existing prefs before you try resetting. I know in Corel Painter, if you hold down the Shift key when opening Painter, it will reset the prefs/software to the defaults.

I'm not sure if Draw is coded the same as Painter but Painter creates a user file in Documents and Settings [yourusername] and you could copy that someplace for safekeeping and then experiment with reseting back to the defaults and then copying over bits and pieces of what you had--Painter creates a number of different user files within a folder in Doc/Settings...


>>If I work a miracle I'll report it here.

Do please....I'm very curious now...

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