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Old 01-11-2007, 06:09 AM   #1
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Many fonts are so similar as to be knockoffs of one another.

For example:
Arial, Helvetica
Dutch 801, Times Roman, Toronto
Palatino Linotype, Book Antiqua
Tahoma, Geneva
etc.

Is there a master list available somewhere that lists a given font with all its similar names?

   
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Old 01-11-2007, 10:45 AM   #2
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Many fonts are so similar as to be knockoffs of one another.

For example:
Arial, Helvetica
Dutch 801, Times Roman, Toronto
Palatino Linotype, Book Antiqua
Tahoma, Geneva
etc.

Is there a master list available somewhere that lists a given font with all its similar names?
Not really. There used to be, back when there were only about 10,000 licensed fonts and fewer clones or knockoffs. But since the desktop digital era began, those numbers have increased drastically and no one can keep track of the changes, nor of all the shareware/freeware fonts around.

The Bitstream Analog lists the trademark names of fonts it has cloned. The list includes quite a few of the pre-desktop era fonts, and would be a good place to start.

You are entering tricky ground. Palatino Linotype is not the same as Book Antiqua (the latter being a copy of the earlier digital Palatino — and the desktop version of Palatino is not really a faithful copy of the original metal font). Hermann Zapf did actually design Palatino Linotype (unlike Book Antiqua).

There are many faces called Garamond that are really different faces, fewer than half of them actually based on the original Garamond; and then we have Garamond-like faces with different names, such as Sabon.

   
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... The Bitstream Analog lists the trademark names of fonts it has cloned. The list includes quite a few of the pre-desktop era fonts, and would be a good place to start.
Indeed, it is, and I thank you for the reference. That should be quite sufficient for most of my needs.

   
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If you are using XP -- I think that is where it came in? -- you can set Fonts to group them by similarity. But I've no idea of the criteria it uses.

This is using Control Panel / Fonts
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Does WP ship with a clip art and font guide like the one Corel Draw includes, by any chance? It gives you a fairly good reference for the alternate names for the fonts that ship with Draw. Or ... hmmm ... does WP8 take us back to the Pre-Corel Era?

   
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Does WP ship with a clip art and font guide like the one Corel Draw includes, by any chance? It gives you a fairly good reference for the alternate names for the fonts that ship with Draw. Or ... hmmm ... does WP8 take us back to the Pre-Corel Era?
WP6 was still from WP in Utah; WP8 was definitely Corel. I don't know about WP7.

The Corel WordPerfect 8 Suite Clipart book does have a chapter on fonts, and for some of those listed, it also includes the names of similar typefaces. It is, however, neither a comprehensive list nor a cross-referenced list.

In that same book is Will Harris' classification scheme, which I have adopted for want of something better. So far, it has stood the test of time.

With WP6 on Win 3.1, I purchased all the fonts Bitstream and Microsoft had to offer, plus a few from other sources. I don't think those fonts that came with WP8 added much to my collection by that time.

   
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Hugh, I'm still (happily) on W98. No doubt the built-in font manager of XP is a knockoff of The Font Thing and/or Font Navigator or something else.

If the font manager in XP (or any other font manager) can automatically deduce and classify fonts according to a default scheme (e.g., text, script, kids/fun, headline, invitation, old world, etc.), that would be something.

   
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<< I'm still (happily) on W98. >>

It cuts both ways .....

   
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If the font manager in XP (or any other font manager) can automatically deduce and classify fonts according to a default scheme (e.g., text, script, kids/fun, headline, invitation, old world, etc.), that would be something.
Some "style" information would be encoded in the Panose codes - if present. That would enable font managers to group at least those fonts that do have Panose information (but many do not, and the information is relevant only for Latin fonts anyway). That would not be "deduction", of course, but simply reading the panose table and interpreting the information in there. In fact, that's what Panose was designed for (but its design lacks qualifications for most non-latin scripts: Wikipedia: "PANOSE definitions exist for Latin Text, Latin Script, Latin Decorative, Iconographic, Japanese Text, Cyrillic Text and Hebrew.").

But it is a theoretical capability - I have not actually seen any font manager that does this.

   
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>>The Corel WordPerfect 8 Suite Clipart book does have a chapter on fonts, and for some of those listed, it also includes the names of similar typefaces.

There may not be similar typefaces for all of them; I wouldn't expect so.

>> It is, however, neither a comprehensive list nor a cross-referenced list.

No, and I doubt that there is such a critter.

>>In that same book is Will Harris' classification scheme,

Fond memories. I think he first published that as a series in CorelDraw Journal at about the time I was writing my first article for them. I probably have a copy of it. In a box. Somewhere. Under other stuff. Guess I'll leave it to Paleontology to work that one out.

   
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