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Old 12-25-2006, 10:56 AM   #1
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Default etc. —19th-century style

A photographer friend took a picture of an old printshop door (late 19th or early 20th century from the look of it) and sent me a copy. In the charmingly eccentric old type was the line shown at the bottom of the door in this attachment.

I think I have seen that sort of abbreviation for etcetera before, but always using an ampersand that was more clearly an e and a t. Anyway, thought it was really charming, so decided to share.
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I think I have seen that sort of abbreviation for etcetera before, but always using an ampersand that was more clearly an e and a t. Anyway, thought it was really charming, so decided to share.
Very interesting! But funny - it seems to me the 'c' doesn't really match the '&' wrt style: it looks like a totally different font!

   
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Very interesting! But funny - it seems to me the 'c' doesn't really match the '&' wrt style: it looks like a totally different font!
Oh, clearly. It is the type of lettering used elsewhere (but not everywhere) on the door.

   
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Very interesting! But funny - it seems to me the 'c' doesn't really match the '&' wrt style: it looks like a totally different font!
It is unlikely to be a font at all — this lettering is on a wooden door. The same style of ampersand appears as well, only squatter and with more line-weight variation in the thins. And there are other variations in the letters.

But that ‘c’ is something like the text just before it.

Charmingly peculiar.

I was trying to recreate that etcetera using fonts (see attachment). I do believe this style expired at the end of the 19th century or perhaps even earlier.
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It is unlikely to be a font at all — this lettering is on a wooden door.
Yeah, but you'd expect a printer to at least imitate real type, no?

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Charmingly peculiar.

I was trying to recreate that etcetera using fonts (see attachment). I do believe this style expired at the end of the 19th century or perhaps even earlier.
I like the Caslon and the middle Poetica best. but fun!

   
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It was indeed common in the nineteenth century & earlier, and seems to have died out since. Certainly, there is now a superstition that the ampersand should only be used in the names of firms and companies, and I have no idea how it arose; it is not confined to English. You don't see it much used in the twentieth century (except in the work of Fowler).

   
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You don't see it [the ampersand] much used in the twentieth century (except in the work of Fowler).
And Eric Gill. And Geoffrey Dowding.

   
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And Eric Gill. And Geoffrey Dowding.
Ah, yes: I should have said, ‘except, notably, in the work of Fowler’. I did know that Dowding advocated the occasional use of the ampersand in place of and, not so much as a space-saving measure (because there is not much space saved), but to enliven things a bit. I simply did not know about Gill. Still, I should say that for everyone that has read Gill or Dowding, a thousand have read Fowler.

   
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I do believe this style expired at the end of the 19th century or perhaps even earlier.
FWIW, '&c' was house style for the abbreviation of etcetera at the daily newspaper I worked on in the 1980s.

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FWIW, '&c' was house style for the abbreviation of etcetera at the daily newspaper I worked on in the 1980s.
That is very interesting. Not so around here.

Did you have a good ampersand, one that looks like e + t?

   
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