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Old 11-03-2006, 02:48 AM   #1
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Default font-family: "Comic Sans MS"

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font-family: "Comic Sans MS";
is specified several times in a web site I am modifying.

"Line : 79 (Level : 2) font-family: You are encouraged to offer a generic family as a last alternative : .p3" is what the CSS validation warns me.

I will offer sans-serif as a generic alternative, but I wonder whether there is an alternative to MAC users, who may not have Comic Sans MS as a font, or an alternative in general, other than choices like Tahoma or Helvetica.

http://bancomicsans.com/home.html is a site devoted to banning Comic Sans MS. I must say that I did not design this web site, or pick the fonts.
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I will offer sans-serif as a generic alternative, but I wonder whether there is an alternative to MAC users, who may not have Comic Sans MS as a font, or an alternative in general, other than choices like Tahoma or Helvetica.
Comic Sans is in the “fantasy” group, so you should probably use that as the generic.

As for Mac (not MAC, btw) users, many do have Comic Sans as it was distributed with Microsoft products. If they do not, using fantasy as the generic should pick up something similar if they have it; otherwise the text will show in their default font. (That would be my preference; I hate reading text set in Comic Sans or its ilk.)

   
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Default Fantasy Group of Fonts

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Comic Sans is in the “fantasy” group, so you should probably use that as the generic.
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/fonts.html#sans-serif-def has a very long description of font specifications as used in CSS. The various font groups are defined, with examples. For Fantasy, the examples are "Latin fonts
Alpha Geometrique, Critter, Cottonwood, FB Reactor, Studz" and Comic Sans MS is not among the examples. I don't have any of the fonts mentioned.

I agree with you that Comic Sans is not a likely choice for me in designing a web site, but I am reluctant to get involved with design decisions like that when my objective is to get the HTML and CSS to validate, and to reduce the number of warnings in the CSS validation. There are 62 warnings in the CSS validation. Warnings about no generic family font are 15 of those warnings.
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I agree with you that Comic Sans is not a likely choice for me in designing a web site,
The client usually makes the choice, but I only have Comic Sans two sites. One is a farmer who likes it! The other is a child psychiatrist who has seen evidence that prose in Comic Sans is more accurately read by people with dyslexia.

   
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From Lie & Bos’s Cascading Style Sheets: Designing for the Web — the bible on CSS from the people who developed it:
Examples of Fantasy font families: Tekton, Arnold Böcklin, Becker, Blippo, Matisse ITC, Park Avenue, Impact, Curlz MT, Kino MT, Braggadocio, Colonna MT, Comic Sans MS, Desdemona, Davysribbons, Engraver, Old-Town.
Now I would have put Park Avenue in Cursive, but I guess they stick it in fantasy because it is discontinuous. And I would have included Impact (and possibly Blippo) in Sans-serif, but they are clearly display, rather than text, fonts, so I guess they go in Fantasy.

   
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Default Lie & Bos: Font families

I have Lie& Bos, Third Edition, but I don't see any list of fonts assigned to font families. There is a description of font families on pp. 94-98, but very few specific fonts are mentioned there. Where did you get the list?

I would think that the practical implementation of font familes would be with how each browser assigns the font to use for display when fantasy, or serif, or whatever, is the font family in the CSS or in the <font> tag.

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Comic Sans is in the “fantasy” group, so you should probably use that as the generic.
Here is a different list of font families.

I attach a screen capture from that page which shows the font families and where they are likely to be common. The curious thing there is that there are no examples of fantasy fonts, and Comic Sans MS is shown as cursive. I am going to keep fantasy as the font family after Comic Sans MS in my particular legacy web site, but I would like to understand such matters better than I do now.

This page says that there will be a new set of fonts distributed with Windows Vista. Just what we need, yet another set of Microsoft fonts, and worse yet, only distributed with the latest MS software. This may be a good topic for another thread, however.
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I have Lie& Bos, Third Edition, but I don't see any list of fonts assigned to font families. There is a description of font families on pp. 94-98, but very few specific fonts are mentioned there. Where did you get the list?
Page 89, illustration 5.6, second edition.

In fact, I wouldn’t worry too much about this. Many users — especially those who enjoy Comic Sans — are likely to have it. Others, like me, would just as soon see my default Verdana.

   
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