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Old 09-29-2006, 11:26 AM   #1
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I have aj ob - ts A6 Landscape 105 x 148 48 pages + cover text on 200 gsm and cover on 300 gsm. saddlestitched
THe designer has designed it as double page spreads - and also has a design feature that at the foredge of each page (on its side) he has type which but up to the head , tail and foredge . We cannot reduce the pages to help the creep (shingle) - He says thats not his problem
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Old 09-30-2006, 12:31 PM   #2
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I agree with you that it's the designer's responsibility, and suggest you tell him/her that it's beyond your skill, and that he/she take it to another printer.

It sounds to me like a job done in XPress and set up for booklet printing, i.e. output onto A4 paper on a laser printer. I seem to recall that there is a booklet extension for XPress that allows the designer to calculate creep.

So maybe that would be the best solution, in fact – to have it printed by a Kinko's or their UK equivalent.

   
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Old 09-30-2006, 12:51 PM   #3
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Course it's his problem, Peter. The creep didn't allow for creep, is inexperienced, arrogant, or both!

The Quark plug-in is Bookletiser. It has some limitations (objects spanning across a spread) but does let you specify a creep parameter.

   
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Old 10-01-2006, 10:14 AM   #4
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Oh Ann if it was that simple - I hate to say but if I cant do it no one can and certainly not little istant print shops - because it is impooooosible if u imagine lets say a centre spread open size would measure 298 (when folded to 149) on the screen it looks good u have a picture going across the spread and a 3 mmm border on the left edge and the right edge - THe job is printed on thin board - the centre spread will actualy measure about 292 - so now we have a problem because of the (shingle or pyramid or christmas tree effect ) - with digital imposition we can only - either take the space out of the centre ( means the image going over the spread had 6mm taken out of it (unacceptable ) so it has to come of the foredge and u loose the border.
I understand from here that there is software in quark to solve it - unfortunatly the designers dont see the problem
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. . . unfortunatly the designers dont see the problem
I would suggest that a designer who masterminded that mess is no designer at all. But never mind — doesn’t do any good to push such points.

Question is: What are you going to do about it?

   
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Yeah, I was the one to mentione the Quark Extension. I wa suggesting you send them off somewhere else.

   
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Old 10-01-2006, 12:04 PM   #7
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well - we have a whole series of checks to point this out when the files come in - but when the job is wanted in 3 days ( 5000 copies 44 pages + a 6 page throiw clear ( I forgot to metion the throwclear!!!) its to late - this one got through and my night shift got caught with it. What can we do - well its training if they will listen - the problem is the agency has aline of type that is right on the foredge trim and touches the top and bottem - so its impossible and as usual they have said its our problem - we are still talking but its not going to press until its resolved or they place it with some other mug
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Good luck. I hope they find another mug, as you put it.

   
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I would suggest that a designer who masterminded that mess is no designer at all.
I have to agree. Also a real designer would be able to see the problem, but from what Peter says, they haven't a clue. IMO the job is not ready for press, which is not the printer's responsibility.

   
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Perhaps the designers would see the problem if they took the job around to everyone else and see what they say. Then maybe they would come back to you ready to be educated. If not, good riddance!

   
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