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Old 09-15-2006, 01:26 PM   #1
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Default ½ character in Mac Roman

Anyone know the secret to typing this character in a non-unicode Mac program such as Quark 6.5?

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Old 09-15-2006, 01:39 PM   #2
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Anyone know the secret to typing this character in a non-unicode Mac program such as Quark 6.5?
Don’t think there is one. The fi ligature is normally in that space.

The fractions exist in Adobe and other high-class fonts (not necessarily in all fonts, however), but in an inaccessible area.

If you have Fontographer or another font editor, you could make a fraction font by pulling the 1/2 and 3/4 characters from the font (and even make a bunch more), and then generating a font with its own name. Or you could move the fraction characters into accessible places in the existing font (and then be sure to rename the font).

   
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Anyone know the secret to typing this character in a non-unicode Mac program such as Quark 6.5?
I've never used a Mac, but ANSI 189 gives the 'half' symbol in Windows, where the Mac gives capital omega: perhaps there's a way of entering ANSI numbers in QuarkXPress 6.5.

   
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I suppose that is one way to workaround the Mac deficiency, although I am not familar with creating new fonts. Another work around would be to insert the glyph into a unicode program like InDesign, convert it to outlines and save it as an EPS, then insert it inline with the text in the Quark Doc. Although, that is a little less clever than your method, since it won't be automatically sized if the font size changes. :/
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I don't believe there is a way for a Mac to use the Windows codepages, at least outside of a unicode environment. As far as I can tell, non-unicode program = Mac Roman encoding. Only thing way to get special characters is to use a special font, which I currently do for any languages other than Western European.
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I don't believe there is a way for a Mac to use the Windows codepages, at least outside of a unicode environment
There is a possibility that QuarkXPress 6.5 does not let you make an entry of a Unicode number, but does (unlikeFrameMaker) know what they are when it meets one. In that case, if you have a recent version of Mac Word, you could insert a half-symbol in Word (via the Insert/Symbol function in Word), or any other program that finds things for you, and copy the symbol to QXP 6.5.

Otherwise, if QXP 6.5 is completely stupid, you're sunk, unless you upgade to v. 7, or stop using a Mac.

   
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I believe QXP 6.5 is completely stupid. I've tried to paste in the character from Word, although it was Word from Office X but I think Office X is unicode anyway. I've thought about stopping using a Mac but unfortunately our clients haven't agreed. We've also had Quark 7 for a couple months now but convincing our clients to upgrade is another challenge altogether and none of them have it yet. One thing I've been doing is converting the Quark docs to InDesign (a superior program, IMO) to utilize the unicode capability and then converting the text to outlines and reimporting it into the Quark, either by importing EPS files or using Markzwares ID2Q7.
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There is a possibility that QuarkXPress 6.5 does not let you make an entry of a Unicode number, but does (unlikeFrameMaker) know what they are when it meets one.
I use FrameMaker 7.2 on PC and it does recognize unicode when properly imported. We've done documents in at least 20 different languages including Asian languages.
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I suppose that is one way to workaround the Mac deficiency
Ho! It is not a deficiency of the Mac. Windows had no f-ligatures; the Mac did. Typographically speaking, ligs are more useful than a couple of fractions.

(Of course, if you use any f-ligs, you really need all 5 — ff, ffi, ffl, fi, fl — rather than merely the fi and fl — but realize that the Mac was the first desktop computer to attempt any typographic niceties, and that was all there was room for.)

Then, when the PC finally got typographically informed, they decided to have three fractions rather than 2 ligs (and something else I cannot remember). But it is as inane to have 1/4, 1/2, and 3/4 (but not 1/3, 1/8, et al) as to have only a couple of ligs.

So please do not suggest there is a Mac deficiency without recognizing the PC deficiency.

Or, better yet, stop thinking in terms of deficiencies at all.

   
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I've thought about stopping using a Mac but unfortunately our clients haven't agreed.
How come, if you know?

   
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