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Old 06-23-2006, 11:00 AM   #1
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I am contributing a chapter to a book that is being produced in-house by a professional association, using QXP on Windows. I also use Windows, and the editor asked me to send everything as Word files.

I wrote the material in Word 2000 using auto-correct to insert typographic apostrophes and quotation marks as well as some of the em dashes. That is, I used the regular keys for all of the apostrophes and quotation marks and let Word change them to typographic marks, and entered two hyphens for some of the em dashes, letting Word change them to em dashes.

In the proofs that I received from the editor, all of them have been changed back to typewriter marks and some of the em dashes have been changed to single hyphens. Because of the complex page layout, I think that they cut and pasted the text one paragraph at a time rather than importing it as a single unit. I do not know what settings they are using in Quark or whether it would make a difference.

We have now been through three sets of proofs with no changes except that the single hyphens where em dashes were needed have been changed to double hyphens. The person working on this is not willing to use the ALT key and the numeric keypad to correct them one at a time, but offered to attempt a global search-and-replace. I am wary of that.

Is there an efficient way to fix this? It probably affects the other chapters as well, but it is possible that none of the other authors cares.
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Is there an efficient way to fix this? It probably affects the other chapters as well, but it is possible that none of the other authors cares.
Not being a QXP user, I can only speculate, but I would be very surprised if a global S&R would not do the job.

And you are probably correct about them doing a cut and paste instead of import. Any further comments about the ability/intelligence/experience with DTP of the persone you are working with would be name-calling....
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Old 06-23-2006, 12:38 PM   #3
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Paul:

In the proofs that I received from the editor, all of them have been changed back to typewriter marks and some of the em dashes have been changed to single hyphens.

Word inserts the correct quotation marks and em-dashes, using the Unicode coding, but versions of QuarkXPress before v. 7 (which has only just been released) don't 'do' Unicode. You can check my statement in Word (I think it works with Word 2000) by selecting a quotation mark and pressing Alt-X: a single clsing quotation mark should change into '2019', and on pressing Alt+X again, it changes back.

Word also accepts the Alt+0146 convention (for a single clsing quotation mark), but internally it converts this into U+2019 (which QuarkXPress doesn't understand).

I don't use QXP, and don't know its S & R, but it should be possible to replace typewriter quotes and hyphens using the extended ASCII codes. (The publisher might not be keen on buying InDesign—or the latest version of QXP—, but it would have saved both him and you a lot of trouble.)

   
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Thank you. They used S&R and were satisfied with the results (which I have not seen). I gave the publications director the information about QXP and Unicode - it's a nonprofit organization and will probably be slow to upgrade.
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it's a nonprofit organization and will probably be slow to upgrade

In all seriousness, the latest version of PagePlus (v. 11, I think) probably gives as good results as QXP and is Unicode-aware, though it hasn't got the capacity to recognize things like s.c. and old-style figures in a good OpenType font. It's about a sixth of the price of QXP.

   
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As it happens, I recently recommended PagePlus to one of the officers of the NPO I am leaving this month, for a different NPO that she is also affiliated with. They wouldn't care about SC&OSF.

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