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Old 06-21-2006, 05:55 PM   #21
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And that is a good part of what they are paying for. Too bad they don’t understand that!
Or remember. I've saved their butts several times (catching things they missed), but I'm not sure they remember that when they're deciding who gets to design the next project.

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Old 06-21-2006, 05:58 PM   #22
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You can handle this in InDesign easily by changing to High Quality Display, which forces ID to make its own preview.
Excellent. I'll have to remember that.

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That's not keyboard layouts; it's font encoding. it's a legacy of the fact that non-Unicode apps were limited to 255 characters, and different platforms chose different sets and encoding.
That's what I was going for -- didn't know the correct terminology (that happens a lot -- even if I used to know something, I've often forgotten it by now <sigh>).

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Old 06-21-2006, 06:01 PM   #23
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Who was it that said "to read the manual is to admit defeat"?

I seem to remember that from the old CIS days ...

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Old 06-21-2006, 06:25 PM   #24
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Now it's more like: To want a manual is to admit defeat.

   
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Old 06-22-2006, 05:57 AM   #25
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/me collects manuals! RTFM forever!
I collect manuals (well, never throw them away, anyway), and use them all the time. But so many are lousy, have a pathetic index, and many other defects that I get frustrated.

The way I learn is by jumping in, getting into trouble, then digging my way out. Without manuals I would be sunk. (And I can always ask people here for help!)

   
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Old 06-22-2006, 08:22 AM   #26
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To want a manual is to admit defeat

In 1988, when I started using a computer and Word (for DOS), for months I sat translating with Micosoft's manual for Word on a music stand beside me. It was an excellent manual, which dealt with each topic in roughly the right order, and that way I learned word processing correctly. Now, manuals are a thing of the past, and you have to buy a book, most of which are half-baked anyway: that's called progress, and I don't like it.

   
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The way I learn is by jumping in, getting into trouble, then digging my way out. Without manuals I would be sunk. (And I can always ask people here for help!)
Kind of like me and GoLive yesterday and today.

It's amazing what you can learn when forced to click buttons and hover over tools to see what happens. It's also frustrating to find your chosen app doesn't have multiple levels of undo. If nothing else, you learn to save often and use "Revert to saved..." when you get completely lost!

   
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Now it's more like: To want a manual is to admit defeat.
Ain't that the truth?

   
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Old 06-22-2006, 02:43 PM   #29
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Michael:

My point exactly. Abandon hope, ye who hope for manuals.

And I remember the manual you're talking about.

   
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