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Old 06-20-2006, 07:46 AM   #21
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Since a DTP program is made exactly for what I want, I'll use it.
Blickfang: I've been using Scribus for around two years, mostly for personal stuff. It's available in Mac/Aqua and Win-32 as well as Linux. Everything in your sample PDF can be done easily in Scribus.
Your explanation of the 9x9 layout suggests to me that you may be thinking about the "Golden Mean" proposition for layout. It doesn't work well with standard U.S. page shapes (as North American users remain stubbornly non-metric.)
If you want to work with Scribus, there are several helpful resources. The main Scribus page has links to helpful sites, as well as documentation. The Scribus Public Wiki has some good tutorials and examples of publications done in Scribus, though its contents, like those of any wiki, should not be regarded as infallible. Finally, there is a #scribus IRC channel in Freenode, where you can get real-time help from the Scribus developers and other users.

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Old 06-20-2006, 08:11 AM   #22
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What do you mean? -- I used Scribus to create my »mockup« BLL.pdf!
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Old 06-20-2006, 08:25 AM   #23
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You must either indent the first line of paragraphs or leave a partial line-space between them. The latter is much less desirable, especially if you are using a formal layout with justified text, as it messes up the page. (I know that it is popular in parts of Europe not to indent paragraphs, but it is poor typography — and rude to readers.)
Oh, yes. I didn't care for that in this »mockup«. I'll definetely indent them!

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The subhead is a bit small — if the text is 12 pt, make it 14.
Since I'll need titles for paragraphes and subparagraphes, I'll use larger and
less larger headings. In a next mockup, I'll try this.

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The text is pretty dense. No small illustrations? No more subheads? And I think if the pages are printed as a spread that the heads at the top will be too much — too large, too prominent. Could the information be placed in U/lc with the page numbers at the bottom?
Oh, everything will follow in another mockup. If I add the living column title
near the page numbers, I'd need to add the whole footline to the typearea.
To much white space at the bottom then, as I think.

And I thought about the headline as some »optical element«. Too bad I have
no better idea. You maybe want to look at another »paper« i did (it's only a
1/4-year-work and about an antiquity topic).

→ [Facharbeit.pdf]

I did it with LaTeX and it's looking good (as I think), but it's horribly average.
The actual »dissertation« should just be more modern and »fresh« . . .

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Image should be contained within the live text area.
It's only... I thought about some kind of »beginning picture« for every
chapter. I didn't have a better one at the moment :-S
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District Thin is too thin; if there is a heavier weight, you could possibly use one for a main head, the thin for a secondary. Other than that, too thin.

Pigiarniq is not very well spaced, its punctuation is oddly positioned (look at that hyphen!), and the characters are of uneven weights. Skip it.

Myriad is fine. Not too exciting, but usable and readable.
I'll use myriad

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No hyphens in headlines. Ever. Not even in German! <g>
Really? Looks very bad with those great white wholes if I don't use that . . .

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Forcing text to run around a callout or illustration almost always creates spacing problems in the text. Note the huge spaces at left on your page. How would you fix that sort of problem? (I can tell you that it is difficult unless you do some sort of violence to the spacing.) Your lines are rather narrow for the type size chosen, which will exacerbate the problem with runarounds. (Would the type be readable at a slightly smaller size? Try to get 50 to 70 characters/spaces per line.)
What are you talking about? The »No headlines here« commentary? It's just
a remark, I'm not planning to do anything like that.

And I'll try a smaller size!

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Old 06-20-2006, 08:27 AM   #24
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A few points. I like to see some kind of paragraph indicator. Often in scientific work this is a line between paragraphs, which I find excessive. A half or third of a line could do it. Otherwise, you should have a paragraph of 1 or 2 ems.
Yes... I'll indent the paragraphes' beginnings.
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I should have looked at the document info on your PDF. (It's a pretty impressive piece of work for a mockup.)

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Old 06-21-2006, 02:36 PM   #26
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Okay, a new mockup now.

Here you are: [BLL.pdf]

I tried to set different titles, but it seems to be impossible to get right spaces
before and after them . . . Look especially at paragraph 1.2.1.1, where the
space after the heading is much too little. But I don't know how to change this
since the main text is attached to the baseline grid . . .
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