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Old 05-15-2006, 05:34 PM   #1
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OK, this is a poll - sort of. Is there anything you know of which you can do in Quark 6.5 or 7 but can't do (or can't do easily) in InDesign CS2?
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Colour separated PDFs without using Distiller: easy in Quark, can't do in ID.
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OK, this is a poll - sort of. Is there anything you know of which you can do in Quark 6.5 or 7 but can't do (or can't do easily) in InDesign CS2?

Is there anything you would want to do in Quark 6.5 or 7 but can't do (or can't do easily) in InDesign CS2?

   
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I can do smart vertical justification in XPress (due to a free plug-in called ProVJ <http://www.durrant.co.uk/>) whereas I still have to do it manually in InDesign.

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I can easily import styled text files into Quark by doing a series of Find and Replaces in Word, replacing Word text attributes, special characters, etc., with XPress tags. Bolds, italics, bullets, em dashes, etc., are all preserved in the .xtg files.

If there's a way to do something similar with InDesign, it is a well-kept secret.

And for me, this is the deal killer with InDesign -- if I have to spend even 5 minutes massaging a text file in Word before I can bring it into InDesign with attributes intact, that's more time than I am willing to spend. It takes about 5 seconds with my XPress tag macro.

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If there's a way to do something similar with InDesign, it is a well-kept secret.
Go to <www.emsoftware.com> and check out Xtags for InDesign. It's a plug-in for InDesign that reads XPress tags (and Xtags), so you won't have to change your text preparation in any way.

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doing a series of Find and Replaces in Word, replacing Word text attributes, special characters, etc., with XPress tags

Why would you want to do that in InDesign? ID has no difficulty in importing Word files, and almost the only features of Word not imported are the things that I think all DTP programs fail to do, which is import sections, columns, and running headlines. Word has no 'special' characters that aren't in Unicode.

   
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Why would you want to do that in InDesign? ID has no difficulty in importing Word files, and almost the only features of Word not imported are the things that I think all DTP programs fail to do, which is import sections, columns, and running headlines. Word has no 'special' characters that aren't in Unicode.
Clients often do a lot of formatting in their Word files, much of it unwanted in the real print job. Their styles may also collide with those in the InDesign or XPress file (or they don’t collide but just come in, added to the style library). Many clients also use Fast Save, which leaves a lot of junk in the file.

Word styles used to be a culprit in PageMaker crashes; not sure that happens in QXP or ID, but it is a lot of useless code that should not be retained in the working job.

The only formatting I want from a client’s Word file is italics for book titles and accents for foreign names (if they show up as the wrong character, I can use Search/Replace to fix that). No all caps, no bold formatting, no typeface or size changes, no colors, no bulleted or numbered lists, no manual paragraph indents, no multiple tabs to align something — just clean text please (with those few exceptions).

You can ask for this until you’re blue in the face, but most clients cling to their fancy unusable and disruptive formatting tricks.

Thus the discussion in this thread, which is about overcoming the formatting without wasting a lot of time.

   
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Many clients also use Fast Save

I'd dispute the 'many': users of Word have been told for years that they shouldn't use it (it's dangerous) and to back up any file at regular intervals, every five minutes, say.

I can understand why someone setting a document for printing (or even for the Web) may need to remove some or all of the formatting, but the thread is about what can be done better in Quark XPress or can't be done at all in InDesign, and there's no reason to suppose that the users of QXP are any fussier or more careful than users of InDesign.

The fact that most of the undesirable things that people do in Word can easily be corrected or obviated in Word at the drop of a hat is obviously irrelevant to the QXP vs ID question, but it needs to be mentioned.

   
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