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Old 05-10-2006, 07:02 AM   #1
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The problem is that there are different basis sizes for printing papers.
All so, which is why I said it was confusing. I use a reference to look up the dimensions, but rely on printers anyway — as there are issues of grain to worry about as well.

   
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U have to be very careful - fast running laser have to have long grain paper
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these aree areal B - and I may chair a UK technical committee to try and resolve some of these issues - WE put height first - u can imagine the problems we have with jobs arriving that are landscape and we cant bind them
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A4 297 x 210 Aqto mm (11 x 8.5)
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WE put height first - u can imagine the problems we have with jobs arriving that are landscape and we cant bind them
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A4 297 x 210 Aqto mm (11 x 8.5)
And we tend to put width first (8.5 x 11 for a letter page).

Just one of those cultural things. Like the short date: for May 9 we say 5/9; you say 9/5.

The only solution I can see, at least when some sort of transmission form is involved, is to ask for HEIGHT ___ and WIDTH ___ or (MONTH ___ DAY ___).

   
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as far as print is concerned we have to conform - we also have a real problem with names we call sizes 1/3A4 99 x 210 the agencies call this DL which should be the envelope size 110 x 220 so its a real b muddle
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U have to be very careful - fast running laser have to have long grain paper
Not just laser — any printing. I just had the unpleasant experience of reading a book in which the pages had been made the wrong way. The pages kept trying to curl in toward the spine.

Weird and very unpleasant, especially as the text ran too close to the spine, so I really had to work to keep the book open far enough to read.

It was from a no-name publisher, probably someone using a small printer rather than a book printer, but you would think someone along the line would have known how the pages were sitting on the form.

   
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as a printer its areal problem - regardless on how many pages to view u print the grain direction has to go accross the sheet (long grain) because if the sheet stretches - u can pack underneath the blanket to changed the print length to get fit - if its short grain - it will stretch across the cylinders and u cannot compensate- Grain direction howover is important for covers if they are perfect bound -
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Peter:

Perhaps these are naive qustions, but in which direction do the majority of fibres lie? I've always assumed that it's in the (paper) machine direction. The second question is how does one establish the machine direction from a piece of cut paper?

   
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I'm quite sure that grain long is the direction of the paper-making web.

Not sure about your second question, but if it means how do you tell the direction of the grain, there are several ways.

Take a newspaper, or other cheap paper and tear it. One direction tears cleanly, and the other direction tears jagged. The clean tear is on the direction of the grain. This also works on better papers, but is less pronounced.

Or, wet the corner of the paper. It curls with the grain.

Or, fold the paper both ways. It will fold sharper with the same pressure in one direction. That is the direction of the grain.
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