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Old 03-08-2006, 09:58 AM   #1
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I am working on a web republication of a 1966 poetry magazine. Some of the poems include free-wheeling language and imagery, mostly sexual.

What should the publisher do about this? He would not want to be banned as a porn site (some of these poets are extremely well-known and respectable, in their particular genre). Nor would he bowdlerize the poems.

Could he use robots.txt to keep spiders out of the poems? Just give them access to the Table of Contents (titles and poet names)?

Or should he present the difficult poems as images only? (I hate that idea, though one or two of them will be, just because the visual form is essential to the meaning or style.)

Would it help to have some sort of COPPA control on access? If so, how does one do that? (It has always been built in to anything I have had to do with.)

   
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I'd use robots.txt and meta noindex/nocache on the dodgy pages. No problem with COPPA if you publish the site in any country other than the US - but I thought it did not apply to non-interactive sites, ie those with no forum/chat facility.

   
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Old 03-08-2006, 01:55 PM   #3
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I'd use robots.txt and meta noindex/nocache on the dodgy pages. No problem with COPPA if you publish the site in any country other than the US - but I thought it did not apply to non-interactive sites, ie those with no forum/chat facility.
Thanks. I think you’re right about COPPA, but there may be other problems relating to access by kids.

Thanks for the meta idea; I will use that as well as the robots.txt file.

   
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Old 03-09-2006, 08:57 AM   #4
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Kathleen, see the Internet Content Rating Association Web site, and go on to "Webmasters: How to label. What happens next."

ICRA is not the only organization that deals with this issue, but I think it's a good one.

The concept is that when you have content that some people might find objectionable, you disclose that in an automated way. People with such sensitivities, it is hoped, are using filters that can read your disclosures and block the content. It's a system that doesn't work all that well, but one can do only what one can reasonably do.

I have duly disclosed a few pages that I designed (but didn't write) that contain photos of people drinking wine or champagne. People who have filters set to block that will not see those pages; others with filters set to allow that sort of content but block other content will see those pages.

The other side of the coin is that you are also representing that all your other pages do not contain objectionable content (of the types tracked by ICRA), meaning that those people who use compatible filtering may find it easier to view those pages.

   
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Kathleen, see the Internet Content Rating Association Web site, and go on to "Webmasters: How to label. What happens next."
Thank you! Really appreciate the information.

   
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Would it help to have some sort of COPPA control on access? If so, how does one do that? (It has always been built in to anything I have had to do with.)
See:

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/coppa.htm

for guidance on this.

IANAL but I don't think COPPA has any relevance to your case since from what you say it does not involve collecting personal information:

<< Personal Information
The Children's Online Privacy Protection Act and Rule apply to individually identifiable information about a child that is collected online, such as full name, home address, email address, telephone number or any other information that would allow someone to identify or contact the child. The Act and Rule also cover other types of information -- for example, hobbies, interests and information collected through cookies or other types of tracking mechanisms -- when they are tied to individually identifiable information. >>

http://www.coppa.org/

<< COPPA - Children's Online Privacy Protection Act

Websites that are collecting information from children under the age of thirteen are required to comply with Federal Trade Commission ( FTC ) Children's Online Privacy Protection Act (COPPA).
What is COPPA ? How To Comply with The Children's Online Privacy Protection Rule ? >>

   
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IANAL but I don't think COPPA has any relevance to your case since from what you say it does not involve collecting personal information
I am sure you are correct.

I just needed some pointers to what does affect us. This is such a strange world now.

   
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I have duly disclosed a few pages that I designed (but didn't write) that contain photos of people drinking wine or champagne. People who have filters set to block that will not see those pages;
Are you saying that images of people with a glass of wine may not be shown to anyone? That would affect just about every restaurant site that I know of! And it is difficult to find a pic of me without a glass in my hand.

   
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Are you saying that images of people with a glass of wine may not be shown to anyone?
No, of course not. But some people find the depiction of people drinking alcohol to be offensive, so ICRA provides writers the ability to disclose the presence of those images. Because that ability is provided, and because I know there are those who would take offense, I make the disclosure.

The pages in question happen to be about people completing an outdoor challenge (one was hiking up and down nine mountain peaks with a cumulative elevation gain of 9000 meters over the course of 9 days) and celebrating at the end with champagne. Here it is (you've been forewarned); I am third from the left, in the back. Innocuous to you and me, but I can imagine someone else reacting with disgust upon suddenly coming upon those photos because they come "out of nowhere"; they might seem utterly unconnected with the rest of the content. Here are these people doing something wholesome and interesting and suddenly they are drinking alcohol.

That particular issue (depiction of alcohol consumption) is, if I recall, about the mildest of things that can be disclosed, at least in my culture-tinged opinion. Some of the others make my hair stand on end just reading what they are.

   
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Are you saying that images of people with a glass of wine may not be shown to anyone? That would affect just about every restaurant site that I know of! And it is difficult to find a pic of me without a glass in my hand.
You remind me that beer commercials are plentiful on US TV, but you never actually see anyone drinking beer. You see them pouring beer, looking at beer, holding up beer, or sliding beer bottles down the length of the bar, but not actually drinking it. I think it is self-censorship, not the government, unlike tobacco ads, which are entirely gone.
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