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Old 10-29-2005, 01:30 PM   #1
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Default Help! What does InDesign call running heads?

What does InDesign call what publishers used to call running headlines and most DTP (and WP) programs call 'headers'?

I can't find the appropriate entry in InDesign's 'Help'.

   
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Old 10-29-2005, 01:45 PM   #2
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What does InDesign call what publishers used to call running headlines and most DTP (and WP) programs call 'headers'?

I can't find the appropriate entry in InDesign's 'Help'.
I doubt it has any special name for them. Just set up the appropriate text on the master pages, and create character/paragraph styles to suit.

Or do I misunderstand what you are asking?

   
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Just set up the appropriate text on the master pages

Thank you. Logical, I suppose, but unusual all the same.

   
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Thank you. Logical, I suppose, but unusual all the same.
Actually, the normal procedure with page layout programs (in my experience, anyway).

   
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the normal procedure with page layout programs

Yes, I accept that, but the topic is usually mentioned, I hope (FrameMaker discusses the subject), and I was not expecting the term 'header' to be appropriated for the heads of columns in tables. I would also mention that W—— (I won't mention the name aloud, for fear of upsetting anyone) provides three possible running headings in every section: for the first page and for subsequent verso and recto pages.

While we're on the subject, do DTP programs habitually refer to the spaces between columns as 'gutters'? InDesign does.

   
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Michael,

Ventura Publisher does -- I don't know about other programs. It is the correct term, is it not? I never thought about it before because I've never heard them referred to in any other way, even back when we had to take our copy in to a good old-fashioned typesetter. (My how times have changed ... I wonder if our waxer still works?)

   
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… [Word] provides three possible running headings in every section: for the first page and for subsequent verso and recto pages.
Yes, of course. But in word processing, the layout and the text formatting are jumbled together (control of the page architecture was added later). The closer a layout program is to a word processor, the more likely it is to use WP terminology.

In the context of design and layout, the page is designed and then the text is composed and arranged on the page. It is a subtle difference, perhaps mostly historical, but it makes good sense to me.

I don’t know what proportion of work done with layout software calls for running heads/feet, anyway. Probably a minority, though those who use them probably use them a lot.

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While we're on the subject, do DTP programs habitually refer to the spaces between columns as 'gutters'? InDesign does.
Graphic designers often do, and for once Adobe picked up their usage instead of introducing some other word, as it did with rule — now called a stroke in Adobe programs.

   
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in word processing, the layout and the text formatting are jumbled together

Not in Word they're not. The running headlines ('headers') and folios are in a separate layer (though Word doesn't call it a layer), and the layout is only visible in 'Print layout' view or 'Print preview'. I usually use a running readlines for Word documents more than a couple of pages long, but if a person is only interested in importing text into a DTP program, he possibly wouldn't notice them, for they're not imported with the text.

The terminology I know tends to be from pre-DTP and pre-WP days, I'm afraid, and in certain cases is English terminology, not American.

   
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It is the correct term, is it not?

Gutter? It used to mean the bit between adjacent outer pages on the press, which of course was discarded when the sheets were trimmed—but that was possibly only in England. In America I believe the 'gutter' is the extra space allowed for binding at the inner margin.

   
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I don’t know what proportion of work done with layout software calls for running heads/feet

What I was looking for was partly what are called 'variables' in FrameMaker and 'Fields' in Word. There is no entry for either in InDesign 3, so I thought the subject might be dealt with under 'Headers & footers', which is where they are generally used. InDesign has got that sort of feature, hasn't it? There must be some way of putting an article or chapter title (for instance) in the running headlines: it's an elementary requirement, after all.

   
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