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Old 08-30-2005, 05:19 PM   #31
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I am hard-pressed to think of a DTP app which does not use the pasteboard idea
Corel Ventura. Except it doesn't help with the Unicode issue.
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Old 08-30-2005, 06:52 PM   #32
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Corel Ventura. Except it doesn't help with the Unicode issue.
And probably never will. I believe the Corel people have said they have "no current plans for it." That's a huge disappointment to people like me who have been loyal to it for many, many years.

   
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but it is also true of capitals v. l.c. Even Unicode doesn't pretend to be absolutely logical.
That's true, although there those who would argue that capitals do have a semantic meaning distinct from lc. akin to punctuation marks, in that they can signify the start of a sentence etc. But let's not open that can of worms!
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if I want to use the Th ligature that Adobe has put in the PUA for Minion, that's something between Adobe and me
Quite true, although it is always preferable to use the automatic OTL substitution in favour of PUA characters if at all possible.
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But if I use the fi ligature, whose code point (uFB01) is not in the PUA, and it didn't print I should be very annoyed
Again true. But simple printing isn't always the only consideration. If textual integrity is at all important to your workflow, you don't want PUAs or manually inserted ligatures mucking up your text.
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Possibly the absence of a handbook for InDesign influences me too
Well, there are plenty of third party references on InDesign if that's the problem. But, of course, it depends on what you actually want to do with it that matters. If ID lack important functions that you need there's no discussion. But if it's simply a matter of ID lacking a word processor-like interface then it's just a question of biting the bullet and adapting. Have you tried InCopy? That adds some more WP style functions to InDesign.

   
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Have you tried InCopy? That adds some more WP style functions to InDesign

No, I've only got InDesign CS, bought very cheaply (through Ebay, I think) after CS2 came out. I was initially just curious, as it was (and still is!) the only program to exploit some of the things that are enabled through Unicode.

The absence of the fi and fl ligatures from Microsoft's selection of the 256 codes that could be got in at the time is understandable; the presence of them in Apple's selection is less so. But if anyone thinks they're important, they're nearly invariably present in any OT font, whether it's OTF or TTF, and in most T1 and pre-OT TTFs too, since no one presumably wanted to issue fonts that were not suitable for the Mac.

   
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I'm sure you can download a demo of InCopy from the Adobe website.

Unicode is really only half the story for almost any publishing task. The other half being Open Type Layout (or similar technology).

   
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you can download a demo of InCopy

I have downloaded it now: it's an enormous collection of files.

   
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