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Old 07-14-2005, 06:55 AM   #1
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Default Johnston's London Underground font available commercially

This may be old stuff here but it goes back to my youth and fascination with Eric Gill:

Interesting post in the Compuserve London Forum on Edward Johnston's London Underground font now being available as a commercial font, with some links to articles on it, the Metro and the NY Subway.
Maybe this link will work for others than me:

http://community.compuserve.com/n/pf...btag=ws-london

but if not go to www.compusereve.com, find Forums, find London Forum and find:

London StuffLondon Underground Font Available

   
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Old 07-14-2005, 02:17 PM   #2
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Interesting post in the Compuserve London Forum on Edward Johnston's London Underground font now being available as a commercial font, with some links to articles on it, the Metro and the NY Subway.
Thanks, Hugh. I had never been to the London Forum (and got there with your link), and I posted an update there in case some of the members are interested in obtaining a modern font based on the 1916 Johnston design.

There have been two: the P-22 font being discussed, which is a few years old; and Johnston, from ITC (now Monotype Typography), which was released in 1999. Since the latter did not have the approval of London Transport, it used a different name. But the packages are not identical, anyway.

Thanks for passing that on.

   
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I've got the P22 version of the font AND the mug!

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I frequently use the P22 Underground where I might otherwise use Gill Sans. Some years ago (1998?) I made a small pdf to compare the two. In case anyone's interested it's attached.

Personally I think I prefer Gill's upper case and Johnston's lower case.
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Glad to see you there. I'm glad it survived on Compuserve when European did not.

   
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I love those overlay comparisions -- I see in the differences Gill's elegance compared with Johnston's brusqueness.

   
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i don't like any of the differences that gill introduced.
why in god's name LT allowed p-22 to sell it is beyond me.

they've done a less than stellar job of digitising as well.

if you enlarge it you'll see sloppy work on the stroke ends etc.
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i don't like any of the differences that gill introduced.
why in god's name LT allowed p-22 to sell it is beyond me.

they've done a less than stellar job of digitising as well.

if you enlarge it you'll see sloppy work on the stroke ends etc.
Have you looked at the ITC fonts?

   
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Norman:

why in god's name LT allowed p-22 to sell it is beyond me

Surely Johnson's work is out of copyright, isn't it? That's what counts in most countries (though not the USA, unfortunately).

   
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Surely Johnston's work is out of copyright, isn't it? That's what counts in most countries (though not the USA, unfortunately).
Copyright is not the issue — it is trademark.

The London Transport authority owns all rights in the London Underground trademark. They cannot stop anyone from going back to the letters and making a font but can legally prevent them from using the name. It is the name they licensed to P22.

It is trademarks that Monotype defends as well. If you can draw a better Bembo, go ahead. But do not try to call it Bembo or Bem or Bemtus or anything else that hints at “Bembo” or they will send you a lawyer letter.

Trademarks last as long as their owners defend them, unlike copyright, which expires after a time (if it applies at all).

   
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