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Old 07-05-2005, 01:19 PM   #1
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Default ID transparency problem?

I'm battling with InDesign, as are a number of my clients. The main problem that I encounter is with text wrapping round images with drop shadows: the letters closest to the image print heavier than the rest of the text because (I think) ID is converting them to outlines both when it prints to a PS printer or when it exports as a PDF. If I convert all the text to outlines then print or export to PDF, the text looks OK.

The big trouble for us is that our customers don't want to pay for a matchprint if they supply PDFs, so the problem doesn't show up until, er, they get the final print!

I've uploaded a couple of files in Robin's ID Test.zip: one is ID CS2, the other is a Press PDF of it. Although the problem isn't visible on screen, you certainly can see it on a printout. If you have a spare mo and have ID CS2 would you mind letting me know if you can reproduce both the problem and the fix please? Oh, and do let me know if there's a better way!

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Old 07-06-2005, 12:35 PM   #2
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We're reworking our templates to set text and graphic layers so we can ensure text is always above a transparent item.
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Old 07-06-2005, 03:07 PM   #3
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But if the text is above the graphic, surely it won't wrap around it?
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But if the text is above the graphic, surely it won't wrap around it?
Don't call me Shirley.

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Text wrap in InDesign does not rely on front to back order. Text above a frame with wrap applied to it will still wrap.
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Old 07-07-2005, 05:39 AM   #6
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djb, do you always supply a printed proof before you run the job? And do you charge for it? This ID problem doesn't show up on screen: not in ID and not in the Press PDF, so you only know it's gone pear-shaped when it's printed <aargh!>
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djb, do you always supply a printed proof before you run the job? And do you charge for it? This ID problem doesn't show up on screen: not in ID and not in the Press PDF, so you only know it's gone pear-shaped when it's printed <aargh!>
We're not a printer... We had been catching the error at proof stage, which can be expensive, then we discovered we could see it on-screen on one Mac that still had Acrobat 5 on it rather than 6.

I've assigned two of my staff to investigate and come up with a solution. I haven't had a report back yet, but will certainly let you know what we come up with. The layers for text and graphics is one approach we're likely to implement.
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I'm going to put a big warning box on our ID templates telling clients to use separate layers for images and text. I can't get the problem to show up on screen at all, and I've tried it on Acrobat 5, 6 and 7. The Mac you've got that shows it: is it running Acrobat 5 or Reader 5?
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I'm going to put a big warning box on our ID templates telling clients to use separate layers for images and text. I can't get the problem to show up on screen at all, and I've tried it on Acrobat 5, 6 and 7. The Mac you've got that shows it: is it running Acrobat 5 or Reader 5?
Acro 5.
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Bugger it! Doesn't show up on my Acrobrat 5 on Mac or PC, of course. <sigh>
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