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Old 06-28-2006, 03:23 PM   #1
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Default Windows True Type on Mac OSX

So I'm working on this Quark 6.5 document that uses a font called Officina Sans ITC TT Book and it's a Windows True Type Font (TTF). I am working on Mac OSX.

If I make a text box and insert text "Option + u" and press "o", I get ö in Helvtica. When I change to my Windows TTF font, it changes to some S looking thing. So my question is, when you use a Windows TTF font, does it retain the Windows coding, therefore jacking up ALL of your accent marks and special characters?

Is there any way to change this back to a Mac encoding?

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Old 06-28-2006, 04:56 PM   #2
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Is there any way to change this back to a Mac encoding?

You're getting the Windows equivalent of Alt+0154, which is an s with a sort of v on top; in the Mac OS it would be an o-Umlaut. Those are the encodings of all old-style TTF and Type 1 fonts, and there's nothing much you can do about it. You'd get o-Umlaut if you could call up U+00F6, but QXP v. 6.5 doesn't support Unicode. You'll possibly get o-Umlaut if you type Option+0246, which is the Windows encoding that brings up U+00F6, but you'd have to do something similar for all the accented letters.

   
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Old 06-28-2006, 05:19 PM   #3
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Boy they don't want to make it easy for us, do they. I can see why OTF was invented. Well, these are documents that are already typed up and I didn't really want to find and replace every accent and odd character. I ended up taking the TTFs and converting them to Mac True Type fonts (tfil). Hopefully this is equivalent as far as printing. They seem to be working in the PDFs.
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Old 06-29-2006, 08:42 AM   #4
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I can see why OTF was invented

You have to be careful: OTF is the file extension for all Open Type fonts with PS outlines, while TTF is still used for Open Type fonts with TrueType outlines. Either can be used on the Mac or Windows OSs, but you can't tell from the file name if a TTF font is of the old type (requiring Mac-TTF or Windows-TTF) or the newer Open Type TTF, which can be used by Mac or Windows.

Very confusing!

   
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Old 06-29-2006, 08:25 PM   #5
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Michael,

If I look in the Fonts folder of my XP machine, I notice that some of the .TTF fonts have an O (ie, Opentype) logo, whereas others have the old TT (TrueType) logo.

Do you think that this is a reliable indicator?

   
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Old 06-30-2006, 09:09 AM   #6
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Steve:

If I look in the Fonts folder of my XP machine, I notice that some of the .TTF fonts have an O (ie, Opentype) logo, whereas others have the old TT (TrueType) logo.

True, but the icon is not visible in any MS Office program that lists files, so I don't think it helps much; and in ATM Deluxe, which I use to activate the fonts I need or might need, the icon isn't visible either (mind you, ATM DL lists just the file names too, so I can't tell PS fonts from OTF fonts either).

   
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Steve:

If I look in the Fonts folder of my XP machine, I notice that some of the .TTF fonts have an O (ie, Opentype) logo, whereas others have the old TT (TrueType) logo.

True, but the icon is not visible in any MS Office program that lists files, so I don't think it helps much; and in ATM Deluxe, which I use to activate the fonts I need or might need, the icon isn't visible either (mind you, ATM DL lists just the file names too, so I can't tell PS fonts from OTF fonts either).
Perhaps the icon's not visible in Office, but that wasn't my question. ;-)
I know where to find the fonts folder if I need to know; assuming what the icons are telling me is valid, that is.

   
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Old 07-01-2006, 07:30 AM   #8
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Steve:

assuming what the icons are telling me is valid, that is

Well, I've not come across a TTF font that's not OT but MS thinks it is; and vice versa. I'm a bit sniffy about icons, because unless they're in different colours it's difficult for me to make out what they mean; and the MS Open Type icon looks to me very like a TT icon.

Perhaps you too should be looking at VOLT (if you haven't already done so): it might tell you something about what the differemce really is between a TTF (old style) and a TTF (Open Type) file;not much, I gather.

   
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I'm a bit sniffy about icons, because unless they're in different colours it's difficult for me to make out what they mean; and the MS Open Type icon looks to me very like a TT icon.
Really? What Windows are you using?

I'm using Win2000 and the difference between an OpenType icon (one slightly oblique O) and a TrueType icon (Two upright T's (serifed), one half overlapping the other) is clear enough to be discernable even in greyscale. I just fired up Character Map as the simplest and fastest way to see icons for installed fonts and it's as clear as I can wish, even at my 1600x1200 screen resolution (which makes a 16x16 icon pretty small).

   
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Old 07-01-2006, 12:43 PM   #10
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Marjolein:

it's as clear as I can wish, even at my 1600x1200 screen resolution

I'm not terribly impressed: it would probably have been equally clear to me, twenty-five years ago.

True, it's perfectly clear which is Open Type (of either kind), which TrueType, and which Type 1 in CharMap, but it doesn't show if the TT font is OpenType or not (neither does ATM Deluxe: and that's what I use to select fonts).

   
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