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Old 05-23-2006, 07:09 AM   #1
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Default Wahaaayyy!! QXP 7 out today

Just got an email from a reatailer (PC World) that QXP 7 is out today. Well Well!!! The price is £245 or 292 incl. VAT for the upgrade and £749 or £880 incl.VAT (pheew!!) I've said it before, QXP is too pricey. As I see it, Their main competitor ain't InDesign, but the Creative Suite as a whole.

Compare the prices to Adobe CS2 from the same retailer:

Standard £639.99 or £752 incl. VAT

Prem £795.99 or £934 incl. VAT

So its plain to see that CS, even the Standard version makes better finanancial sense esp when you consider you're getting Photoshop and Illustrator which together cost more than Standard. InDesign becomes the icing on the cake so to speak. Quark have lowered their prices a little but not by a large amount.

Quark Xpress Lite anyone???
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Old 06-05-2006, 06:57 AM   #2
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So its plain to see that CS, even the Standard version makes better finanancial sense esp when you consider you're getting Photoshop and Illustrator which together cost more than Standard.
Quark 7 blows InDesign so far away for professional workflows that it pays for itself over and over. InDesign costs itself over and over. Also, if you already have Photoshop 7 or 8 and Illustrator 10, you've pretty much got them already so why rebuy them since the recent upgrades have been fairly lackluster. At some point you should stop upgrading your "water" and "oxygen" and just enjoy drinking and breathing.

One more point Quark has made major improvements to it's non-destructive image manipulation built-in that make 80% of trips to Photoshop obsolete. And it has very nice vector drawing built in...though Illustrator rules for now.
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Old 06-05-2006, 10:24 AM   #3
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> Also, if you already have Photoshop 7 or 8 and Illustrator 10, you've pretty much got them already so why rebuy them since the recent upgrades have been fairly lackluster.

I won't dispute your obvious enthusiasm for Quark, since I don't use it, and haven't used it past version 4 or 5. But you are a bit out of line in slamming the Adobe products. There are significant improvements in both Photoshop CS and CS2, at the least.

All I can go on about Quark is a general feeling (from people who do use both programs) that it is losing ground steadily to InDesign. It will be interesting to see if this version can slow, halt or reverse that trend.
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Old 06-05-2006, 11:03 AM   #4
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I think CS (v8 as I mentioned) and CS 1 are great....no slams. However, it's getting to be more of an asymtotic path for upgrades as they've got so much going already, that Adobe is running out of new ideas (relatively speaking). In fact OpenSource programs and Apple are on a geometric upgrade path in comparison and I suspect in 10 years even venerable Photoshop will be freeware or completely irrelavent as Internet II and open source 3-D web applications take over the world. It can happen as fast as a FireFox can blink. Quark is on a very rapid evolution path right now, far eclipsing the upgrade curve of what we've seen so far from Adobe.
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Old 06-05-2006, 12:09 PM   #5
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But the number of magazine publishers who've moved over to InDesign is growing. This is not just hitting Quark in the pocket. More importantly, in the long run, it must be a knock to Quarks position and morale.

Remember, Quark is not like MS, Adobe, Corel or Serif. It is a ONE product company. If MS has a dominant position in the PC OS and office productivity market and Adobe a dominat position in the creative print and web markets, where does this leave Quark?? Increasingly marginalised.

Most reviews I've seen put InDesign ahead. Xpress 7 will do a lot to redress the balance I guess (until InDesign CS3;-). Don't get me wrong, Xpress is a good product. However, no matter how good Xpress is, those who have moved from Xpress to InDesign will not move back. The best Quark can hope for is to retain its current cutomer base.
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Old 06-05-2006, 12:47 PM   #6
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But the number of magazine publishers who've moved over to InDesign is growing.
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where does this leave Quark?? Increasingly marginalised.
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moved from Xpress to InDesign will not move back.
That’s how it looks from here, but I do not actually know how many of those who acquired InDesign will stick with it. I hear of printers who still prefer the old XPress workflow, and that can be (or ought to to, maybe) a powerful force in Quark’s favor.

Magazine publishers may have more clout with their printers than graphic designers and the smaller ad agencies — so we should see how they go.

Anyway, it is like a game — you don’t get a score until the end. (But this game never ends! <g>)

   
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Honestly, most industry statistics still point (worldwide) to a 80%+ market share for Quark. While many American Magazines and Newspapers were lured by Adobe dumping of free InDesigns, there is a real need for collaboration in these workflows and Quark is pioneering heavily in that area. So some magazines will have nicer designs made with Quark's stellar transparency AND save tons of time collaborating...others will switch if Adobe is a laggard. As for CS 3...funny, now Adobe users are talking catch-up...but they'll be going against Quark 8 with a year of Universal Binary bugs already worked out. Also, countires like InDia and China are not keen on Adobe standards crammed down their gullets and are reluctant to go down the PDF in every pot road. Quark understands this and enjoys huge market shares abroad.

As for one trick pony, I'm not sure where you get your information...Quark has been on the cutting edge of server-based enterprise workflow systems for years. If you take a tour of their site you'll see so much intellectual property it'll make your head spin...and that's just what you can see. Take their QuarkDDS "dynamic document server"...where hundreds of people can render quark, pdf, jped or eps documents at the same time using only a web browser. Tried that in InDesign lately? I'm sure Quark has many surprises up their sleeves...a one trick pony they are not!
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Honestly, most industry statistics still point (worldwide) to a 80%+ market share for Quark.
Can you point me to a source? I have seen very different numbers. Of course there is some muddle because what people own and what they use every day can differ. But I would love to see some definitive numbers. Sure do miss the old Seybold.

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If you take a tour of their site you'll see so much intellectual property it'll make your head spin...and that's just what you can see. Take their QuarkDDS "dynamic document server"...where hundreds of people can render quark, pdf, jped or eps documents at the same time using only a web browser. Tried that in InDesign lately? I'm sure Quark has many surprises up their sleeves...a one trick pony they are not!
It has been years since I visited Quark, so things may definitely have changed.


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However the company does have a history of bringing out new programs that fail for one reason or another. They have been a one-trick pony — and yes, their tricks have included group working and networking. And it would be great if one of the new tricks up their sleeves would pay off. But I keep thinking of Immodium and a few other big ideas that just went pfffft.

   
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I never count out that the "cosmos" may intercede and decide that the company named after a fundamental particle would have creative favor over one named for a mud brick.

Yes, Quark has had workgroup software for years and years (QPS for one). That's often referred to as "experience" and as they now bring $100,000 software into a desktop app, they have launched the age of "parallel publishing", which if is anything like "parallel computing" will become the norm. It's also more like how the brain works...so Adobe has no choice but to follow if they can get around the patents.
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I guess time will tell. I actually do not wish that any company control the publishing industry. But I must say at this point that it will more likely be Adobe than Quark.

Sometimes I wish we had never been computerized. There is still NO desktop program capable of the typographic quality a designer could have from neighborhood typographers in 1984. None!!!

I would much rather send a well marked-up page to a professional typographer and get back really lovely text than mess around for hours trying to overcome the limitations of XPress, InDesign, or whatever software.

But publishing has been high-jacked by the computer industry. As soon as they have solved 80% of our problems they go trotting off to take over some other industry. Phooey.


   
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