Installing Paint Shop Pro X.. stuck!

[iamback]

I purchased an upgrade to PSP X a while ago - but couldn't install due to lack of space on my applications drive. Now I've reorganized things and created space, and just tried to install ... only to have the installer stop immediately, telling me: "Internet Explorer 5.5 or higher is required to install...". I only have 5.01 here. Aaarghh!

The problem is: I cannot install IE 5.5 (or higher for that matter): for unknown reasons the installation always stops (I've tried that every which way). Besides, I actually like having IE 5.01 on one computer at least so I can test with it.

Can anyone tell me what's up with this PSP installation? Is it that IE 5.5 or higher is needed for the installation process or is it also (always) required for using the program? In the latter case, I'm stuck until I actually have bought a new computer (that'll take a while). In the former I could try to install on my laptop (Alan, which has IE6), making a snapshot of the Registry before and after the installation, and then try to migrate the whole lot to this computer (Grace).

Actually using PSP X on Alan is out of the question: while it has a nice high-resolution screen, it has pretty poor color rendition and low dynamic range - no good at all for working on scans and photographs.

Frustrated...

[terrie]

imback: Can anyone tell me what's up with this PSP installation? Is it that IE 5.5 or higher is needed for the installation process or is it also (always) required for using the program?I don't use PSP but my best guess is that it's looking for IE5.5 (oh!!! gag!!!) for the installation process because they've programmed the installer to force an immediate online registration when the installation process has completed.

That approach is becoming more and more prevalent these days because the assumption is that *everyone* has a broadband connection...

Stupid...stupid...stupid...

Terrie

[Kelvyn]

I installed the trial of PSPX and decided to keep it. No problem with installation - I have IE6 on XP here anyway. Looking at the spec on the Corel site it doesn't say it needs IE 5.5 - but does say it needs Win2K SP4 or XP. There is a PSPX newsgroup listed on this Corel page. (http://support.corel.com/scripts/rightnow.cfg/php.exe/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=754345)

The program itself is very good once you get used to the relocation of familiar tools. It is just so much faster in what it does than the earlier versions.

Added: it does not force registration, but does prompt every now and again. I did register anyway - and it did it though my default browser, Firefox.

[terrie]

kelvyn: Added: it does not force registration, but does prompt every now and again. I did register anyway - and it did it though my default browser, Firefox.I was a beta tester for Painter IX and one of the last betas we got had been set up to force online registration and use IE. Most of us howled quite loudly about that and they fixed it thank goodness...'-}}

Terrie

[iamback]

I don't use PSP but my best guess is that it's looking for IE5.5 (oh!!! gag!!!) for the installation process because they've programmed the installer to force an immediate online registration when the installation process has completed.
It can't be that ... I have an "Instructions" PDF that clearly states you install first and then you have a trial version until you do the registration and get an activation code; they also mention a phone alternative to doing that online.

But I can't imagine what else they need IE5.5 for... could they have left in a test for something they don't need??

[iamback]

I installed the trial of PSPX and decided to keep it. No problem with installation - I have IE6 on XP here anyway. Do you remember whether or how the installer actually uses IE?

Looking at the spec on the Corel site it doesn't say it needs IE 5.5 - but does say it needs Win2K SP4 or XP. There is a PSPX newsgroup listed on this Corel page. (http://support.corel.com/scripts/rightnow.cfg/php.exe/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=754345) Well, I do have Win2000 XP4 installed - just not the IE part that matches it (I think that would be IE6, actually) because it won't install. (And I really want to keep IE5 anyway.) I certainly didn't sdee anything about a requirement for IE5.5 or I wouldn't have been so "hasty" to purchgase PSP X.

I guess I'll try the newsgroup and see if there are any insights there... Thanks for the reference.

The program itself is very good once you get used to the relocation of familiar tools. It is just so much faster in what it does than the earlier versions. Faster is good, too. :) I was mostly looking for extended correction filters (like perspective) and better layers handling; layers in PSP 7.04 (installed now) are limited but also buggy, and the palette doesn't display what it should which makes working with what is available quite hard. I'm sure I can live with getting used to a new UI - I have plenty to practice on right now!

I did register anyway - and it did it though my default browser, Firefox. I hope I can do that with Mozilla ;)

[Kelvyn]

Do you remember whether or how the installer actually uses IE?

I don't remember it using IE at all during install. I wonder if the update checker uses it, though, as while using PSPX a popup appeared about updating to 10.01 - and when I clicked on the update button it downloaded the file without using the FF downloader.

[iamback]

I don't remember it using IE at all during install. I wonder if the update checker uses it, though, as while using PSPX a popup appeared about updating to 10.01 - and when I clicked on the update button it downloaded the file without using the FF downloader.
I've just finished trawling the PSP X Newsgoup (Corel's) and while I haven't found a thread that matches my problem I have found references to the "InstallShield Update Service" which presumably is what is used to do this. It also seems this service is running all the time, taking up needless RAM and CPU cycles, and "calling home" several times a day. Some people have opted to simply uninstall it (PSP doesn't come with the Uninstaller for the service - you need to get it from the InstallShield site! [1]) and manually download any updates or patches.

If I do manage to install PSP X I certainly don't want to have such a useless service (with its own scheduler as well, even though the product runs only onw Win2K or WinXP both of which come with a perfectly serviceable scheduler already) installed, so I'll be sure to uninstall it.

Still, I can't really imagine the update service would need IE for downloading when it's already able to contact the website (presumably with a standard HTTP request).

...

I found on the NG some possible clues though to why the installer wants "a browser" (and I think it thinks it can use only IE5.5 for that) so I'll be doing some tests before posting to the NG ... but after I get back from another Sinterklaas shopping trip. I'll report back.

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[1] How Do I Install or Uninstall The Update Manager: http://consumer.installshield.com/kb.asp?id=Q111006

[Kelvyn]

Marjolein, thanks for the link to the uninstaller. I have used it, but I'm not sure that the updater was calling home that often as I never gave it full permissions on ZoneAlarm. I seem to have seen it ask permission evry couple of weeks or so.

[iamback]

Marjolein, thanks for the link to the uninstaller. I have used it, but I'm not sure that the updater was calling home that often as I never gave it full permissions on ZoneAlarm. I seem to have seen it ask permission evry couple of weeks or so. But when it's needing permission from ZoneAlarm (or whatever firewall) it's actually running already - that was the point some people made in that NG thread, too. There's two parts to it, the actual update service and the scheduler. Check your services applet - you may find both there.

[iamback]

I don't remember it using IE at all during install. I just had a poke in the directory where the installation files were unpacked. Not encouraging... There's a directory with a whole bunch of HTML files (one of which is the actual error message I saw!), including a CSS file with a "behavior" defined in it (that's certainly IE-specific, not sure if it needs IE5.5) and a "JScript" file.

I suspect the whole installer user interface is actually done with these IE-specific HTML pages and the scripts... (stupid, stupid).

I'm not hopeful. I guess I'll have to install on Alan and the try to migrate the installed program to Grace (sigh). Or maybe I can figure out just which Registry key it's checking to determine the IE version and fool it.

[terrie]

iamback: It can't be that ... I have an "Instructions" PDF that clearly states you install first and then you have a trial version until you do the registration and get an activation code; they also mention a phone alternative to doing that online.Ok...I've exhausted my limited expertise...'-}}


>>But I can't imagine what else they need IE5.5 for... could they have left in a test for something they don't need??

Bug?

Terrie

[terrie]

iamback: references to the "InstallShield Update Service" which presumably is what is used to do this. It also seems this service is running all the time, taking up needless RAM and CPU cycles, and "calling home" several times a day. Some people have opted to simply uninstall it (PSP doesn't come with the Uninstaller for the service - you need to get it from the InstallShield site! [1]) and manually download any updates or patches.I *hate* stuff like that! Photoshop has it but there is an option to turn it off...

My experience with current Corel software is limited to Painter so it may be that Painter is the exception but I'm wondering if this stuff with PSP is a leftover from Jasc's approach to things?

Terrie

[iamback]

>>But I can't imagine what else they need IE5.5 for... could they have left in a test for something they don't need??

Bug? No one on the newsgroup has yet been able to explain exactly why 5.5 (or higher) is needed for the install and 5.01 won't do (I received some particularly unhelpful replies along the lines of "IE is an important part of Windows" - well, duh, but not as important as some people like to think). I even got a suggestion that it's needed in PSP X itself for displaying help files (I never needed 5.5 for any help file) and to "perform other text related operations" (unspecified so far, but I asked).

I did get some (trying to be) helpful replies too, though; one constructive reaction with what is probably a workable workaround: put Windows on a separate partition, add IE 5.5 and then install PSP X on there. He suggested getting an extra HD for that but I actually have some space left on one of my HDs for an extra partition - hopefully large enough. It might tide me over until I get a new computer...

[iamback]

My experience with current Corel software is limited to Painter so it may be that Painter is the exception but I'm wondering if this stuff with PSP is a leftover from Jasc's approach to things? Doesn't sound like Jasc's way of doing things at all, and this release is the first Corel one. Actually I've seen people grumble on the newsgroup that Jasc's way of doing things is lost now. Corel definitely seems to have a different style (Manual? who needs a manual? Someone will write a book. If you buy the boxed version thinking you'd get a manual you'd be very disappointed - a very slim "User Guide" booklet that seems to be more like a catalog of tools is all you get. And on the CD some videos with tutorials which require Quicktime 7 to play.)

At least the (real) manual for version 9 can still be downloaded which seems to cover most of the functionality of PSP X as well.

Here:
http://www.jasc.com/support/customercare/articles/psp9components.asp

[terrie]

iamback: I even got a suggestion that it's needed in PSP X itself for displaying help files (I never needed 5.5 for any help file) and to "perform other text related operations" (unspecified so far, but I asked).One of the early Painter IX betas did that...drove me nuts! Fortunately, they fixed it when I reported it as a bug...'-}}

Isn't there a pdf manual on the cd? I prefer a paper manual myself but they are becoming quite scarce...

Terrie

[iamback]

One of the early Painter IX betas did that...drove me nuts! Fortunately, they fixed it when I reported it as a bug...'-}}

Isn't there a pdf manual on the cd? I prefer a paper manual myself but they are becoming quite scarce...
No CD - I ordered the dowload version - after my experience that I only ever browsed the manual in the boxed version once with every new version, and that there are always lots of tutorials online... But then I don't know what it installs with since I can't install it in the first place :(

At least I got one good suggestion on the newsgroup which (translated to my situation) comes down to creating an extra partition, installing Win2K on that, make sure it has IE 5.5, and then installing PSP X on there. I have some space left on one of my two HDs that should be just enough for one partition with an OS and a minimal amount of apps; If I tweak that partition/install so that it can see all other drives (including my "data" drives) that could be workable until I get a new computer. It would take "some" time though but after what I've wasted already, who cares? <sigh/>

(But getting a new computer is meanwhile getting far more urgent - my CPU cooler is dying and got completely stuck already once; now I fear its ball bearings have gotten damaged, so to keep poor Grace alive I'll have to operate on her to give her a new CPU cooler - something I've never done and will need help with. But there's a neighborhood compuer service shop where you can repair your own machine under supervision: I'm going to try that. :))

[Steve Rindsberg]

Is Grace's CPU cooler a fan atop the chip or something more marvelous?
I've had any number of the fans die and they're fairly simple to replace. Usually just a matter of popping a spring-loaded catch open, removing the old fan, and popping the new one back in its place.

Or so it's been on the machine's I've had to do surgery on. Maybe I've just been lucky. ;-)

As to the second partition idea, that's one possibility. But if your computer's reasonably powerful and has a decent amount of RAM, and if ultimate performance isn't a must-have for these oddball apps, have a look at VMWare or Virtual PC.

It's not quite fair to describe them as emulators, but in a sense they let you create any number of emulated PCs. You can install your choice of OS and software into each. What happens inside a "virtual" computer is restricted to a file on your real computer's hard drive for the most part. So letting some boneheaded app force you to install a version of MSIE that you don't want won't affect your "real" computer. Just the virtual one.

The peace of mind .... ahhhhhhhh.

Of the two, I like VMWare. It's a bit pricier but IMO, well worth it for ease of use and flexibility. I've never been able to get VPC to work with shared drives and printers on my network, despite hours of fiddling with it.

VMWare just worked from the start w/o my having to do anything.

[terrie]

iamback: No CD - I ordered the dowload versionOh right...forgot that...

>>comes down to creating an extra partition, installing Win2K on that, make sure it has IE 5.5, and then installing PSP X on there.

What a pita and a half to have to do that...

>> so to keep poor Grace alive I'll have to operate on her to give her a new CPU cooler - something I've never done and will need help with. But there's a neighborhood compuer service shop where you can repair your own machine under supervision: I'm going to try that.

Poor Grace!!! '-}} It's nice that you have a shop like that...in July, I couldn't boot and thought it was bad RAM (give the error message) and took it in to a local shop not far from me that I'd never been to before and asked if they could take a quick look and just replace the RAM.

He opened the box and hooked it up and said "you're harddrives are failing". I'd kind of been expecting something like that but was really freaked out because they weren't sure they would be able to get anything off of my primary drive (I have 3) with the OS. Fortunately, they were able to do that and I had them replace all 3 drives (and copy all my files) as the other 2 were the same make--I had the system custom built in ummm...2000. They also ended up replacing the RAM.

I would love to have learned to do the harddrive installs myself--I've installed RAM before...pretty straightforward--so to have a shop where I could do that would be very nice...

At any rate, I've been pleased with the work this place did and as I can't afford a new pc now, I just recently had them add more RAM and an additional 120gb harddrive...so nice to have more space...

Hope your repair goes smoothly...

Terrie

[iamback]

Is Grace's CPU cooler a fan atop the chip or something more marvelous?
I've had any number of the fans die and they're fairly simple to replace. Usually just a matter of popping a spring-loaded catch open, removing the old fan, and popping the new one back in its place.

Or so it's been on the machine's I've had to do surgery on. Maybe I've just been lucky. ;-) It's just a biggish fan surrounded by gold-colored cooling ribs sitting on top of the CPU: a "Thermaltake Golden Orb" according to the original parts list of the machine. The trick is finding the right model since they seem to be dependent on socket (I'm looking at a catalog) and I don't see a model for the socket my P3 uses (FCPGA or 370).

I've stared at the thing and couldn't figure out how to detach it. There's also the matter of the paste that supposedly goes in-between to improve contact: I don't know how to get that off. I'll try asking at the shop that built the machine 5 years ago... and hope they still have a "fitting" cooler!

As to the second partition idea, that's one possibility. But if your computer's reasonably powerful and has a decent amount of RAM, and if ultimate performance isn't a must-have for these oddball apps, have a look at VMWare or Virtual PC. Yes, that's another option. But RAM is already tight (especially for graphics work) with "only" 512MB (that was a lot when I bought the machine); only one free slot, too (I found that very weird, I thought motherboards always had even numbers of slots but looking in the catalog I now see a few MBs that have indeed three slots, as does my MB). Anyway I don't want to try to expand it until the fan problem has been solved but adding 521MB would be nice if possible.

[Steve Rindsberg]

>>Yes, that's another option. But RAM is already tight (especially for graphics work) with "only" 512MB (that was a lot when I bought the machine); only one free slot, too

Ouch. Still. 1gb DIMMs aren't too bad now, and with that much RAM, you can hand half to the "host" and half to a single VM and it works quite nicely. It's handy to have a "sacrificial lamb" VM too ... you can use it to test software w/o risking the "real" PC. And even run MSIE to visit those boneheaded sites that just won't work right w/o it. <G>

[iamback]

Ouch. Still. 1gb DIMMs aren't too bad now, and with that much RAM, you can hand half to the "host" and half to a single VM and it works quite nicely. It's handy to have a "sacrificial lamb" VM too ... you can use it to test software w/o risking the "real" PC. And even run MSIE to visit those boneheaded sites that just won't work right w/o it. <G> Wait - it gets worse: I did some research on my mother board yesterday and I found that although there are three slots on the MB, the chipset's maximum is 512MB - which is what I already have. That's good enough for most things except image (photo) editing... Still, I'm glad I found that before I went ahead and bought extra memory! I vaguely remember a discussion about memory when I ordered the machine but MBs that took more memory were scarce (and expensive) then; but 512 was ample for what I specced the machine for (software development, mostly).

So, putting PSP on a separate bootable partition looks better now as it will then have the full 512MB. But I may try first putting it on Alan (the laptop) which has both more memory (768Mb) and a (somewhat) faster processor, but a much worse display for graphics - if I could use it with my current monitor (maybe even in remote control mode from Grace) that might work, at least until I have a completely new "graphics" machine. (sigh)

Meanwhile I ordered a new cooler from an Internet store (the store where I bought the machine 5 years ago no longer has it, as I feared) which will hopefully arrive before I have my appointment with the DYI-repair shop this Monday (pay on delivery is the fastest, but costs extra, more than the cooler itself :( - cooler EUR 10, shipping EUR 6.50, pay to the postman EUR 11.50 extra - oh well...).

[Steve Rindsberg]

A local source for little parts like CPU fans is a real luxury. Luckily, I discovered one literally around the corner and bought a few spare fans. At a few dollars each, it was a far better deal than buying directly from the manufacturer at a few dollars each or $30 minimum order, whichver was higher. Plus shipping.

Luckily I got my fans before the police raided them and found stolen laptops. ;-)
They're gone now. The police. The laptops. And the store.

[iamback]

A local source for little parts like CPU fans is a real luxury. Indeed - I haven't found one, at least not in the city, but the store is in the Netherlands. I debatedgoing there to pick it up myself, but a train ticket would have cost nearly as much, and it would have taken a lot of extra time, too. Nothing's arrived yet though... :(

Luckily I got my fans before the police raided them and found stolen laptops. ;-)
They're gone now. The police. The laptops. And the store. Ouch!

[iamback]

I haven't found [a local source for little parts like CPU fans], at least not in the city, but the store is in the Netherlands. I debated going there to pick it up myself, but a train ticket would have cost nearly as much, and it would have taken a lot of extra time, too. Nothing's arrived yet though... :( Update: My made-in-Taiwan "Ultra-Quite Fan" [sic] has just arrived (11:20) - with such clear illustrated installation instructions on the box that I may try replacing the old one "unattended". :):)
Probably not today though - other urgent things to do before I power down poor old Grace again...

[annc]

Ultra-Quite Ah. You need to read this thread (http://www.cyberhorse.com.au/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=31099&forum=equestrian&omm=0) in that case.

[iamback]

Ah. You need to read this thread (http://www.cyberhorse.com.au/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=31099&forum=equestrian&omm=0) in that case. LOL! That poem is brilliant! But I don't blame Chinese getting this one wrong is so many native English speakers do :)

[annc]

LOL! That poem is brilliant! But I don't blame Chinese getting this one wrong is so many native English speakers do :)Yeah, it's a great poem (and even uses 'spelling' instead of 'spell'! I think Don posted it in this forum when we were still with CIS (so it's gone from our archives).

[Michael Rowley]

Ann:

it's a great poem

There's one homonym missed, though I don't know whether Americans will miss it (I think Australians ought to):

Eye strike a key and type a word

[annc]

Ann:

it's a great poem

There's one homonym missed, though I don't know whether Americans will miss it (I think Australians ought to):

Eye strike a key and type a wordYou've got me! What is your suggestion?

[Michael Rowley]

Ann:

You've got me!

Good gracious! How do you pronounce quay then?

[annc]

How do you pronounce quay then?Key, of course! But you have to make allowances for my brain at 6.30 in the morning.

[Steve Rindsberg]

Ultra-Quite ... ;-)

[iamback]

Ultra-Quite ... ;-) Oh, there's more Chenglish on the package - see attachment :)

[Steve Rindsberg]

;-)

I'm love chenglish/nihonglish howlers and I'm sure I give good value in return whenever I try to speak Japanese. Fair's fair.

[iamback]

I'm love chenglish/nihonglish howlers and I'm sure I give good value in return whenever I try to speak Japanese. Fair's fair. Fair enough. :)

But have you seen these yet?

“Handle be on worth” (http://blog.iamback.com/story/2004-07-06/165-Handle-be-on-worth)
Chenglish (http://blog.iamback.com/story/2005-09-25/247-Chenglish)
Shopping day: return the true flavour (http://blog.iamback.com/story/2005-09-30/259-Shopping-day-return-the-true-flavour)


More to follow - I'm developing a "theory of Chenglish" - to be illustrated with photos and scans, of course. But I really need PSP and a new computer for that...

[dthomsen8]

The problem is: I cannot install IE 5.5 (or higher for that matter): for unknown reasons the installation always stops (I've tried that every which way). Besides, I actually like having IE 5.01 on one computer at least so I can test with it. Frustrated...

I had a problem installing a later version of MSIE from the web, it always stopped before finishing. I solved the problem by buying the MSIE CD from Microsoft and that did install without difficulty. Look into that possibility on the Microsoft web site.

Yes, I understand your reluctance to be forced into something by Microsoft. Uncle Bill thinks he knows best, but that is not always true.

[dthomsen8]

Maybe I am not so foolish as to prefer PSP 6 to PSP 8, after all.


Thanks for the link to the PSP 9 manual, though.
http://www.jasc.com/support/customercare/articles/psp9components.asp

[Steve Rindsberg]

Wonderful quotes! Thanks, and do keep us posted on the Great Unifying Theory of Chenglish.

I wonder if it'll get more or less interesting as tools like computer translation via internet become more commonly used.

[dthomsen8]

“Handle be on worth” (http://blog.iamback.com/story/2004-07-06/165-Handle-be-on-worth)



Guesses:
"Watch your valuables." or "Not responsible for lost property."

[iamback]

Wonderful quotes! Thanks, and do keep us posted on the Great Unifying Theory of Chenglish. I will! :)

I wonder if it'll get more or less interesting as tools like computer translation via internet become more commonly used. I doubt that will happen much in China. So many people are learning English now, I suspect they'll just "grow" their own brand of it. Not just in regular schools any more, the goverment is stimulating English. In Beijing I saw an "English nursery" where not just the toddlers could learn English but they also did family courses so parents and kids can learn English together.

I just realized that next time in China (I'll surely be back) I'll find myself not just shopping for food on the road, but scouring the supermarkets for packaging with interesting texts on it. I'd leave the contents behind, and just bring the packaging home. ;-)

[iamback]

“Handle be on worth”Guesses:
"Watch your valuables." or "Not responsible for lost property." Oooh, nice! That's the first thing that even makes sense - even after more than a year I could not come up with anything! Thinking about that: it could even be the opposite: "we're watching your valuables". Or some reference to the fact that the parked luggage should be covered by the net. But something to do with "valuables" certainly makes sense given the context.

Thanks for the idea.

[iamback]

Update: My made-in-Taiwan "Ultra-Quite Fan" [sic] has just arrived (11:20) - with such clear illustrated installation instructions on the box that I may try replacing the old one "unattended". :):)
Progress report: Yesterday, I managed to install the new CPU cooler. The instructions on the box were indeed quite helpful, since they applied to the cooler in the computer (so I knew how to detach it, which worked quite well) ... but not to the cooler in the box (ahem). That caused a slight panick, but I managed to mount the new one anyway, though only after lots of fiddling. No more funny noises on startup, and the fan speed is definitely higher than that of the old one (though not spectacularly higher, so I cleaned and kept the old fan as a spare). And it must be making good contact since it's cooling well.

Big sigh of relief!

As an experiment, I also installed PSP 8 (which I have a boxed version of but never bothered to install) on Alan (laptop) and then tried to use it (across the network) from Grace. That works, and I can even save a workspace (back on Alan) and use the plugins on Grace.

Next step will be to install PSP X on Alan and see if it works similarly from Grace. If not, I can still go the "extra partition" route.

[lordshoa]

As an experiment, I also installed PSP 8 (which I have a boxed version of but never bothered to install) on Alan (laptop) and then tried to use it (across the network) from Grace. That works, and I can even save a workspace (back on Alan) and use the plugins on Grace.

Next step will be to install PSP X on Alan and see if it works similarly from Grace. If not, I can still go the "extra partition" route.best thing to do is go to your gfx card setting
right click your desktop
properties
settings
advanced
trouble shooting
turn the acceleration down and it will install all the way
stops the headaches anyhow

sorry this is a old thread but its the nvida drivers that does it.

[iamback]

best thing to do is go to your gfx card setting

sorry this is a old thread but its the nvida drivers that does it.Thanks - but I don't have any nvidia drivers. ;) And it seems that problem is fixed anyway - there's a new version of the driver, I've heard. (That was not a PSP problem but a driver problem.)

No, it really is that PSP X needs a later version of IE than the 5.01 I have here on Grace. I still don't know why, but it's a fact.:( It installed and runs fine on Alan (which has IE6), but unlike PSP 8 I cannot run it on Grace over the network - so not only no install, it won't run.

So until I get a new computer (that'll be a while) I can get by running X on Alan, but it's not ideal; the upshot is I use mostly PSP8, and only go into X when I need functions not available in 8.