DTP Forum hits 16

[ktinkel]

Do you remember 1989?


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It is shocking to realize how long the forum has been around — 16 years, an epoch in computer time. Think how many major changes we have lived through: When we opened our doors on December 12, 1989, PageMaker was at version 2.0a (the first version to support automatic hyphenation and thus the first useful version), Ready,Set,Go! 3 was giving PM a run for its money, and QuarkXPress 1.0.3 had just been released. Illustrator 88 had, despite its name, just come out (for Windows as well as the Mac), and its Bézier curve drawing tools were stunning graphic artists even though it worked only in black-and-white. Adobe had licensed Photoshop from the Knoll brothers but the program would not actually appear until the spring of 1990. And there were lots of commercial fonts available, but the good ones all came from Adobe, through its alliance with Linotype.


The opening salvo in what would become known as “the font wars” had just been fired at the September 1989 meeting of the Seybold publishing conference when Bill Gates announced that Microsoft would adopt TrueType fonts instead of PostScript Type 1. When Windows 3.1 later came out with its inexpensive font packs — thus creating a mass market for fonts and satisfying that demand in a single product release — the DTP Forum got embroiled in its own font wars. And that was just the beginning. (We really need to write a history of this forum.)

Through all the years and all the industry changes, DTP Forum members have exchanged useful and (usually) civil advice with each other. The topics change with the march of technology, but the intelligence and good humor persists. All our members deserve a pat on the back for that.

[terrie]

Why didn't you put your cool logo in this post as you did over in cserve?

I think I found the DTP forum the first time in late 1991 when I got my first modem and signed up for both AOL and Compuserve and quickly dropped the AOL account in favor of cserve because of threading...

My first regular forum was the Horses forum and it was from a friend I made there that I began to roll increasingly more quickly down that slippery slope to acquiring a new pc, Photoshop, a flatbed scanner, a graphics tablet, a slide scanner and a color printer over the next couple of years all to support our equine clipart.

A local friend of mine and I did the initial drawings and my horses forum friend who lived in TX did the scanning after I mailed her the drawings. She then emailed me the scans and I took them into Corel Photopaint 3 which I'd acquired someplace and had no idea how to use but I was able to figure it out and created our initial packages (english riding and western riding images), created our "LTL Images" logo (LTL = Lynne, Terrie, Lynne), created a web page and did all the marketing...

As I wanted to learn more about imagining software and DTP, I stumbled across the DTP and old Adobe forums and became a regular in both...

Been an interesting trip so far...

Terrie

Terrie

[ktinkel]

Why didn't you put your cool logo in this post as you did over in cserve?
’cause I couldn’t figure out how to put it where I wanted it. [blush]

I’ll try to fix it tomorrow.

“Cool logo,” huh? Thanks. I thought no one would appreciate it but me.<g>

[Cristen Gillespie]

If she's talking about the last one you had up on the other forum, of course we noticed it. Way cool. I had to admire your ability to design so many, in fact, over the short time. I think the last one may be my favorite, but I'd have to see them all side-by-side. My memory isn't accurate enough.

Cristen -- am I signing my name twice?<G>

[ktinkel]

Why didn't you put your cool logo in this post as you did over in cserve?I just added the logo, but I guess I cannot control its positioning without turning on HTML for the forum.

But it can sit there like that.

[Franca]

It looks just fine where it is! Cool.

[Gerry Kowarsky]

I was thinking recently about the concerns expressed here in the early 90s about what inexpensive font packs would do the font business. My sense is that the effects have less dire than many of us feared. In fact, it seems to me that more is available at the high end of the market than ever before, not just from the boutique foundries, but from the established vendors as well. I was tickled the other day when I saw comments suggesting that Adobe's Bickham Pro and Linotype's Zapfino were in a head-to-head competition for best contextual substitution in an OpenType script font. That kind of competition is good for all of us.

[ktinkel]

I was thinking recently about the concerns expressed here in the early 90s about what inexpensive font packs would do the font business. My sense is that the effects have less dire than many of us feared. In fact, it seems to me that more is available at the high end of the market than ever before, not just from the boutique foundries, but from the established vendors as well. I was tickled the other day when I saw comments suggesting that Adobe's Bickham Pro and Linotype's Zapfino were in a head-to-head competition for best contextual substitution in an OpenType script font. That kind of competition is good for all of us.
I agree that the inexpensive font packs — the two from Microsoft, Bitstream’s 500 Fonts for Windows — and the giveaways from Adobe and other vendors did not have a seriously negative effect on high-end fonts. They did cheapen some classic typefaces just by making them so prevalent, but popularity for any reason often has that effect, and trends in typefaces is nothing new.

But for whatever reason there isn’t much money in the font business these days. The reasons there are so many independent type designers is that the large companies don’t have (many) staff designers anymore. What money there is goes mainly to technical production issues.

There is also little money for critical reviews of new typefaces. Hell, there is hardly space for uncritical promotion of new fonts these days. Web views are not nearly as useful as specimen books and catalogs, but that is mostly what we have.

[terrie]

>> “Cool logo,” huh? Thanks. I thought no one would appreciate it but me.<g>

I liked it a lot...'-}}

Terrie

[nick]

Kathleen,

Glad to be here and the site looks very nice.

I'm a raw novice when it comes to DTP and for that matter Web Publishing. The last time I worked in the business, I ran a type shop from a cast iron lightbox and used a scalpel to makeup film for the ADs the next morning. We were using Quadex, which kind of dates me. Does anybody else remember what a Typositor was? Anyhow, at one point I was very good at QC and used good old-fashioned flash cards to keep up with those niggling little differences in type. I still remember OMG (Oligy & Mather Direct) sending me bad xeroxes and demanding I match fonts. (Was it Compugraphic or Merg? Inquiring minds went nuts trying to figure out which. They didn't make a loupe big enough to tell for sure!!!) Anyhow, I still keep my copy of Rooklege around, but all the other type books are long gone!

<g>

Anyhow, I'm probably going to do some kind of combo DTP and Website for a community press that I ran for the last 2 years. MY AD is probably moving on and she did it all in Quark and later InDesign CS on Mac OSX Jaguar 10.2.8. I'm not going to do Mac, but I do have Quark 4, Illustrator 9 and PhotoShop 6, along with Adobe Acrobat 4 (Reader and Writer). This is all PC stuff and I run it on a laptop running Win98se.

At some point I'm going to have a lot of questions.

<VBG>

Nick

[ktinkel]

The last time I worked in the business, I ran a type shop from a cast iron lightbox and used a scalpel to makeup film for the ADs the next morning. We were using Quadex, which kind of dates me. Does anybody else remember what a Typositor was?

Oh, yes — I loved the Typositor, even if it was a Rube Goldbergesque device from hell sometimes. Used to make my own 2-inch film strips by statting typeographic ornaments (or anything, really) so I could image them in line with type. I know we can do all that stuff, probably better, these days, but it was a great toy.

I still remember OMG (Oligy & Mather Direct) sending me bad xeroxes and demanding I match fonts. (Was it Compugraphic or Merg? Inquiring minds went nuts trying to figure out which. They didn't make a loupe big enough to tell for sure!!!) Anyhow, I still keep my copy of Rooklege around, but all the other type books are long gone!

<g>

Anyhow, I'm probably going to do some kind of combo DTP and Website for a community press that I ran for the last 2 years. MY AD is probably moving on and she did it all in Quark and later InDesign CS on Mac OSX Jaguar 10.2.8. I'm not going to do Mac, but I do have Quark 4, Illustrator 9 and PhotoShop 6, along with Adobe Acrobat 4 (Reader and Writer). This is all PC stuff and I run it on a laptop running Win98se.

At some point I'm going to have a lot of questions.

<VBG>

Nick
We are always happy to have lots of questions. You’ve come to the right place. Glad you came.

[Kass Johns]

The opening salvo in what would become known as “the font wars” had just been fired at the September 1989 meeting of the Seybold publishing conference when Bill Gates announced that Microsoft would adopt TrueType fonts instead of PostScript Type 1.

The intense expression on John Warnock's face that day is STILL burned into my brain! John was standing there with Steve Jobs and Bill Gates partnered "against" Adobe... John walked to the podium, took a deep breath and proceeded to throw open the Type 1 Font Standard for the entire world! All the journalists rushed to the pay phone bank (pre cell phones) within minutes!

Those were the EXCITING old days, when fire flew and things changed every month! Hard to keep up with but interesting as heck!

k

[ktinkel]

The intense expression on John Warnock's face that day is STILL burned into my brain! John was standing there with Steve Jobs and Bill Gates partnered "against" Adobe... John walked to the podium, took a deep breath and proceeded to throw open the Type 1 Font Standard for the entire world! All the journalists rushed to the pay phone bank (pre cell phones) within minutes!

Those were the EXCITING old days, when fire flew and things changed every month! Hard to keep up with but interesting as heck!Ain’t that the truth? Hardly any fun any more.

When I heard a couple of months ago that Agfa had spun off Monotype Typography, I could barely muster the energy to yawn. Oh, dear.

[Wrucke]

I first "joined" the Compuserve forums back in '93 when I started using CorelDraw, and remember well the 'glory years' when every significant software vendor had a thriving forum. The Corel fourm must have had 12-15 individual sections, and was an invaluable place to figure out how to 'do something' .. you'd post a question and two hours later there would be a multitude of responses with solutions.

With the growth of the internet, Corel and everyone else did thier "own thing" but the new "support" became a mockery of what used to be .. :-(

CorelDraw/PhotoPaint support got absorbed over time into the forum community and now doesn't even exist for all intents. Maybe with your breakaway, software support can hopefully be rekindled ..

I see some familiar names that go back in time a long ways; good luck with this Forum!

[ktinkel]

I first "joined" the Compuserve forums back in '93 when I started using CorelDraw, and remember well the 'glory years' when every significant software vendor had a thriving forum. The Corel fourm must have had 12-15 individual sections, and was an invaluable place to figure out how to 'do something' .. you'd post a question and two hours later there would be a multitude of responses with solutions.

With the growth of the internet, Corel and everyone else did thier "own thing" but the new "support" became a mockery of what used to be .. :-(

CorelDraw/PhotoPaint support got absorbed over time into the forum community and now doesn't even exist for all intents. Maybe with your breakaway, software support can hopefully be rekindled ..

I see some familiar names that go back in time a long ways; good luck with this Forum!Thank you! Nice to see you here.

[JVegVT]

>> CorelDraw/PhotoPaint support got absorbed over time into the forum community and now doesn't even exist for all intents. Maybe with your breakaway, software support can hopefully be rekindled .. >>

Except that Corel has its own user support forums, which have been pretty good when I've used them (which hasn't been often). CompuServe could never be what it was, once so many forums opened on the Web. CS used to be *THE* place you went for tech support, drivers, patches, etc., but all that changed when people began having easy access to the Internet.
--Judy M.

[Kass Johns]

When I heard a couple of months ago that Agfa had spun off Monotype Typography, I could barely muster the energy to yawn. Oh, dear.

I am glad we were young enough to keep up with it back then. I just don't care anymore and even if I did, I don't have the energy and the endless source of loot I used to have!!!

So, is Monotype still a healthy company or is it going away? What was Bill's last name at Monotype from back when? Young, dark hair. He was some sort of product uppermanagement or something and always helpful to me when some info was needed. Is he still around at Monotype?

What's Cynthia H up to these days? Is she still involved with type?

I miss the old days and the old friends, but I am happy NOT flying around the country anymore and sleeping late in the morning!

[grin]

k
PS, I like this new interface much better than the old Compuserve site. I can read the text I type much easier (easier to edit).

[ktinkel]

So, is Monotype still a healthy company or is it going away? What was Bill's last name at Monotype from back when? Young, dark hair. He was some sort of product uppermanagement or something and always helpful to me when some info was needed. Is he still around at Monotype?You’ve missed a bunch of history. First Agfa and Monotype merged; then Ira Mirochnik and Bill Davis (he would love to hear you call him young, I bet!) left to form another business, consulting on type technology. Just a few months ago, Agfa spun off Monotype Typography, with all the type business.

What's Cynthia H up to these days? Is she still involved with type?Sort of. She left Agfa years ago for a marketing job with a publisher. Then she became executive director of ATypI, a post she is leaving this spring. Not sure what she will do next, but she and her husband (Mark Batty, former president of ITC) have a publishing company and that may keep her busy. Beautiful books.

I like this new interface much better than the old Compuserve site. I can read the text I type much easier (easier to edit).Thanks.

[Kass Johns]

You’ve missed a bunch of history.

I guess! Like I _really_ thought that everyone would just sit still while I went away for a few years?! Anyway, it's great to finally have Bill Davis' last name again so it won't bug me anymore! It's one of those, "Who was that guy?" deals where I had thought of him for some small reason but then the thought that I couldn't remember his name was bugging the HECK out of me!

And I hadn't realized that Cynthia had married Mark! That's nice news. Now that she's retiring from ATypeI I hope she will finally take the time to do her "dream" road trip across the US. She had wanted to drive the "Route 66" sort of backroads, stopping to take pix at all the oversized statues and put them into a humorous travel book! Once she told me that, it became MY goofy dream too!

[donmcc]

Well, I remember the early days of DTPForum, although I was not there in the beginning, I signed on in 1990 or 91. I was regular until about 1994, when the Web stole me away. I was even a section leader at that time, when everything was plain text, CIS and AOL were competitors, and DTP was new and wonderful.

I had checked back to the forum a couple times in the last few years, but really didn't like the AOL connection, and didn't join up. Now that the forum is independent, I have rejoined. (Thanks to the person who visited Adobe forums and posted a notice in almost (?) every forum.

I recognize a few names from the old days: KT, Elyse, Kass. I wonder if any of you remember me.

Don McCahill

[annc]

Well, I remember the early days of DTPForum, although I was not there in the beginning, I signed on in 1990 or 91. I was regular until about 1994, when the Web stole me away. I was even a section leader at that time, when everything was plain text, CIS and AOL were competitors, and DTP was new and wonderful.

I had checked back to the forum a couple times in the last few years, but really didn't like the AOL connection, and didn't join up. Now that the forum is independent, I have rejoined. (Thanks to the person who visited Adobe forums and posted a notice in almost (?) every forum.

I recognize a few names from the old days: KT, Elyse, Kass. I wonder if any of you remember me. Welcome back, Don. I remember you, although I wasn't on staff in those days.

[ktinkel]

I wonder if any of you remember me. But of course we do! Welcome back.

[ElyseC]

Yes, of course we remember you and are happy to enjoy your company once again!

[terrie]

>>donmcc: (Thanks to the person who visited Adobe forums and posted a notice in almost (?) every forum.


You're welcome...that was me...I figured that there are very few people who read every Adobe U2U forum so I posted to each forum that I thought might be interested in taking a browse here...


Terrie

[JVegVT]

You were involved in textbook design and production? If so, I do remember you.

It's great to see some long-lost faces here in our new home.
--Judy M.

[michelen]

Greetings, everyone.
Wow, this is exciting!
I was a CIS member and DTP forum regular for a long time--1992-99 or something like that. I sure have missed it! It's great to see so many familiar names here. Thanks, Terrie, for posting the message in the Adobe UTU forums. I came here like a shot as soon as I saw the post.
--Michele Nelson (used to be Thomas)

[donmcc]

Production mostly, although that dried up and now I am trying my hand at teaching. Good to see you.

Don

[michelen]

Greetings KT and All,

I was a CIS member and DTP forum regular for, well, a long time. I'm delighted to see you all here.

Regards,
Michele Nelson

[don Arnoldy]

I was a CIS member and DTP forum regular for, well, a long time.Welcome back, Michele! Whatcha been up to?

P.s. "In California, where Berkeley, Oakland, and Emeryville all meet."

You live in Ikea? <G>

[terrie]

>>Michele: Thanks, Terrie, for posting the message in the Adobe UTU forums. I came here like a shot as soon as I saw the post.

You are very welcome...so glad to see you here...'-}}

Terrie

[ktinkel]

Greetings KT and All,

I was a CIS member and DTP forum regular for, well, a long time. I'm delighted to see you all here.

Regards,
Michele NelsonAnd we are delighted to see you again!

[michelen]

Welcome back, Michele! Whatcha been up to?

P.s. "In California, where Berkeley, Oakland, and Emeryville all meet."

You live in Ikea? <G>


Don,

I live north of Ikea, and Ikea traffic, thank goodness!
What have I been up to? Well, since my days on the DTP forum I've changed jobs, gotten married, and converted my company from Quark to InDesign. I think those are my major accomplishments since then :)

Best,
Michele

[michelen]

KT,

I am delighted to be here. One of my favorite DTP forum memories:
In June 1999, I got to go to a Thunder Lizard conference in Seattle. I'd never been there before, so one of the forum staff members who lives there came and got me at my hotel and took me on a tour of Seattle, making sure I got to see the troll under the bridge. Then he and his wife had myself and a co-worker over for dinner one night. It was really great and I'll never forget it.
That's the way the DTP forum was. It wasn't all flame wars :)

Best,
Michele

[ktinkel]

KT,

I am delighted to be here. One of my favorite DTP forum memories:
In June 1999, I got to go to a Thunder Lizard conference in Seattle. I'd never been there before, so one of the forum staff members who lives there came and got me at my hotel and took me on a tour of Seattle, making sure I got to see the troll under the bridge. Then he and his wife had myself and a co-worker over for dinner one night. It was really great and I'll never forget it.
That's the way the DTP forum was. It wasn't all flame wars :)Absolutely not! and we are still not all about flame wars.

So, tell me, is there a nice assisted living facility near your confluence of Berkeley, Emeryville, and Oakland? (My husband and I met in the Berkeley Co-Ops on the north side in 1962, and always fantasize about living there again!

[michelen]

KT,

The co-ops!? I lived at Cloyne Court when I was at Berkeley. A bit later than you.
I don't know about Assisted Living facilities, but I could find out if you're serious.
The weather here today is absolutely gorgeous :)

Best,
Michele

[ktinkel]

KT,

The co-ops!? I lived at Cloyne Court when I was at Berkeley. A bit later than you.

I don't know about Assisted Living facilities, but I could find out if you're serious.

The weather here today is absolutely gorgeous :)I know, I know — Berkeley weather is always gorgeous, from the morning fog to the sunny afternoons, to the dreary fall/winter to the Mediterranean-like spring and summer.

Jack was at Cloyne; I was in Kidd Hall (but we ate at Cloyne). Later, we lived on Oxford Street, in a nice old 4-plex. Sigh.

We are sort of serious. We live on the water here in Connecticut, and I would hate to give that up. But we are Berkeley “types” and often yearn for the place. So I had this brainstorm.

[michelen]

KT,

Actually, summers here are too foggy for me. But Spring and Fall are wonderful.
I'll be biking a lot as soon as the weather gets a little better. I'll keep my eyes open for Assisted Living places and let you know. I wonder if there's anything in Emeryville down near the marina. How would that do? :)

Best,
Michele

[Andrew B.]

In June 1999, I got to go to a Thunder Lizard conference in Seattle. I'd never been there before, so one of the forum staff members who lives there came and got me at my hotel and took me on a tour of Seattle...Would that be Mike?

[michelen]

Andrew,

Actually, it was John C.

Best,
Michele

[ktinkel]

KT,

Actually, summers here are too foggy for me. But Spring and Fall are wonderful.
I'll be biking a lot as soon as the weather gets a little better. I'll keep my eyes open for Assisted Living places and let you know. I wonder if there's anything in Emeryville down near the marina. How would that do? :)Sounds good to me! <g>

Actually, maybe they could just convert the co-ops to old folks’ quarters — we get the alumni newsletter and the number of grey hairs seems enormous.

[JohnC]

I did that?? <g> I was thinking of June 1993 (my first visit to Seattle, and KT was there for the PageMaker Conference). Figured I couldn't do that then. But then I realized you said 1999. Now I live a couple of blocks from the Troll and am deeply involved with the arts group that installed the Troll.

[michelen]

John,

Yes, you did that! You were living in a houseboat on Lake Union, and had me and Melissa, my co-worker, over for pizza one night.

I'll have to come back to Seattle, though. My old Nikon FE was in need of repair, and my photo didn't come out very well.

Best,
Michele

[JohnC]

I'm not on the houseboat any more, now I'm across the lake, just down the street from the office. Still love pizza, though. Let me know when you are heading up this way. Kim and I have a new house with room for visitors.

[djb]

Hmm. Pizza and JC in Seattle seems to be a recurring theme. I can state with certainty that shortly after the last (and only) time I had pizza in Seattle with JC... The Earth Moved. In fact, he had just left my hotel...

;-)

[don Arnoldy]

I had pizza in Seattle with JCHmm... the last time I was in seattle, I had pizza too. But not with JC--with KT and a writer for MacUser, Aileen Abernathy. It was the *first* pagemaker conference--where the term "its been Cornicelloed" was coined. If you think I'm making that up, the term is in the glossary of one of Robin William's books.<G>

[LHaggarty]

I recognize a few names from the old days: KT, Elyse, Kass. I wonder if any of you remember me. Don McCahill

Oh Don, of course we remember you! Perhaps we should have a section just for the old fogeys in the forum...

Laura

[JohnC]

I think that was the first earthquake I was in. But I never felt it. We has a much bigger one a couple of years later.

JC

[ElyseC]

It would be really nice if the new photo iPod supported RAW format files but it doesn't seem to. It's RAW files that really fill up camera cards quickly so a 60MB ipod would be really useful.Very true.

[TheGraphicsReport]

I too live in Berkeley, and this year the rain seems to be going on for ever.
But do come back KT, it is still a great place to live for "Berkeley types" and there are still quite a few here, although maybe not quite so many.

I was a very old member when I worked at Scitex in the early 90's, we were told to come on line and contribute, and I soon got hooked.

[tphinney]

There's a lot more variety available, as the ability to make good quality fonts has mostly gotten easier (though for now it is getting harder again since OpenType complicates things).

That being said, there are probably less than half as many people making a full-time living from designing/producing fonts as there were in 1991. There was a big crunch in the early 90s in font industry employment, and then a gradual decline ever since. Even since I joined Adobe in 1997, the Adobe type group went from about 24 people to 10 1/2 people.

Anyway, it is once again a quite interesting time in the type business. Several significant announcements will be coming out in the next little while, and there have been other major developments that will be under wraps for a long time, but will be no less significant. And this time around, all the developments will be good for both end users and font developers.

Regards,

T

[donmcc]

Gawd, what a tease.

<GRIN>

Don McCahill

[tphinney]

I hear that from all the boys. <g>

T

[Chrys]

Wow! I'm glad you're still around. And I'm glad I found DTPFORUM in its new incarnation.

I was a CS forum member in 1989 and then for several years afterward. It's good to still see familiar names, including yours, Kathleen. <bows deeply to Her Greatness and Knowledge>

The more publishing becomes computerized, the more interested I become in letterpress and the study of typography. Hope to find some kindred spirits and advice here.

[ElyseC]

Welcome! Very glad you found us again!

I joined up with CIS back in 1989, too, discovered this community 3 months after I joined and was immediately "home." :-)

[Chrys]

Elyse! Hi! I remember you. :) Thanks for your message.

[ktinkel]

Wow! I'm glad you're still around. And I'm glad I found DTPFORUM in its new incarnation.We’re here, and of course we remember you! Very glad you found us! (How did you find us, btw? We’re trying to encourage things that work.)

The more publishing becomes computerized, the more interested I become in letterpress and the study of typography. Hope to find some kindred spirits and advice here.We have the occasional letterpress discussion here — you can start one, if you want. Do you know the letterpress newsgroups and e-mail lists?

David Rose (one-time active CompuServe member) has a web page entitled Introduction to Letterpress Printing in the 21st Century (http://www.fiveroses.org/intro.htm) that is chock-full of useful links and information, and is very up to date (it was updated May 2, 2005).

Although it is a little old (but so is most of the information, so it shouldn’t matter too much!), the American Amateur Press Association pages (http://members.aol.com/aapa96/foundry.html) have a lot of useful information about where to find type, presses,

Anyway, let’s do talk about it. Type talk is always welcome here.

[don Arnoldy]

Chrys-

Hiya! LTNT. Whatcha been up to?

--don

[annc]

Hi Chrys

I also remember you, although you probably don't remember me. Welcome back!

[curveto]

Ain’t that the truth? Hardly any fun any more.

When I heard a couple of months ago that Agfa had spun off Monotype Typography, I could barely muster the energy to yawn. Oh, dear.
Careful there, lasse! We don't want you to stop yawning. ...or mustering for that matter.

JR

[curveto]

> So I had this brainstorm.

Speaking of brainstorms. Did you see that SBUX killed TF Italia?

nooooOOOOOOHHHHHHHH!

<begin crying/>

[curveto]

> Now I live a couple of blocks from the Troll and am deeply involved with the arts group that installed the Troll.

You migrated to dry land?

JR

[curveto]

> Aileen Abernathy

Now there's a name I always wanted to meet and never quite did.

JR

[ktinkel]

> Aileen Abernathy

Now there's a name I always wanted to meet and never quite did.
She was an editor (not a writer as Don said) at MacUser; she was, in fact, my boss when I was a contributing editor there.

She had a background in science, and I believe she went back to it. I wonder what she’s up to, myself.